The Picayune Rancheria, near Fresno, eliminated almost 50% of their tribe. Pechanga at about 25%. Redding Rancheria even terminated the family of their FIRST Tribal Chairman after restoration, Robert Foreman.
Tribes are small, so when you phrase it as 400 people, it doesn't sound so bad, if you equate that to say, 8 MILLION Californians or 78 MILLION Americans, you'd get a truer picture. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has done the same with their Freedmen population, and I'm sure many readers would be surprised to know the Cherokee dragged their SLAVES on the Trail of Tears.
We've taken an article from Genocide Watch that details the stages of genocide and used them to illustrate what went on at the Pechanga Reservation in Temecula California, the tribe is led by Mark Macarro. There is an urgent need for the enforcement of the Indian Civil Rights Act.
Please check out the links as the provide additional information.
From GenocideWatch.org: Genocide is a process that develops in eight stages that are predictable but not inexorable (unalterable). At each stage, preventive measures can stop it. The process is not linear. Logically, later stages must be preceded by earlier stages. But all stages continue to operate throughout the process.
1.Classification: The Pechanga Enrollment committee claimed that Hunter Family was from a different set of Temecula Indians, not Pechanga. Pechanga claimed the Manuela Miranda (Manuelas) descendents had broken ties to the reservation, even though they served on tribal government committees. They are not us, they are "them" or "those people". They similary marked people in the moratorium.
2. Symbolization: Rather than calling Hunters and Manuela’s Pechanga, they claimed Hunter’s were “San Luis Rey” because one relation put that on a census form, disregarding the fact that so many other families did the same thing. San Luis Rey and Luiseno meant the same thing. The separatists claimed that Manuela Miranda wasn’t Pechanga anymore, as she cut her ties to the tribe as a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD. Her mother died and she had to move in with an older relative who just happened to be Candarlaria Nesecat Flores, whose descendants are still in the tribe. Flores was NEVER listed on ANY Census in the 1800’s, as Paulina Hunter was. This disenrollment was targeted because of the numbers of voters, and because their family stood up for what was right, namely the enrollment of rightful members.
3. Dehumanization: The separatist group Concerned Pechanga People (CPP) issued flyers saying Manuelas and Hunters were trying to “take over the tribe”. Which means they didn’t like the way we voted or rather, couldn’t control the votes. Hunters and Manuelas were no longer “We”, but “THEM”. “THEY” don’t belong. Hunters had been living on the reservation DECADES before chairman Macarro was born and raised in San Bernardino, CA.
4. Organization: The CPP, includes adopted member Butch Murphy and gadfly Ed Burbee, pushed for disenrollments. Murphy had previously tried to splinter the tribe. Burbee was concerned about increasing his income from the stolen per capita. Mark Macarro, stacked the enrollment committee with those pro-disenrollment families, even allowing families to be brought up out of turn, so that more enrollment committee members could vote for disenrollment. Families who were cleared from disenrollment out of the order the cases were taken were cleared by only three members of the enrollment committee, less than a legal quorum of the committee so they were never lawfully cleared. Mark Macarro also overruled the will of the people, claiming a lawful petition was invalid.
5. Polarization: The CPP pushed for disenrollment with numerous flyers and vocal shouts at meeting of “you don’t belong here” even though Hunters had an allotment from 1890’s when the reservation was created and vaunted elder Antonio Ashman’s sworn deposition stated he knew Paulina Hunter as a tribal member. The tribe believed Ashman about the eviction of 1875, but did NOT believe him about Paulina Hunter, whom he KNEW personally. The Macarro-led tribal council did nothing to stop the tactics, not using the “bully pulpit” to bring the tribe together. They preferred the separatist view, because it meant more money for them.
6. Preparation: The enrollment committee forced all Hunter paperwork to be certified, yet accepted handwritten notes, not notarized as evidence against the family. They refused to answer when questioned if there was anything missing or were there any other evidence against us. They paid the highly respected anthropologist John Johnson to trace Paulina Hunter’s ancestry and he proved Paulina Hunter was Pechanga. They did not use his report. There was a quid pro quo with enrollment committee member Bobbi LeMere, enrolling members of her family, despite a moratorium on enrollment.
7. Extermination: Macarro’s goal was to wipe the opposition votes out, to control his chairmanship. Extermination of families was no big deal to this man, who was a member of the Democratic Party’s platform committee. While the genocide against the Manuela’s and Hunters is "paper genocide" the reality is there. His goal was to make sure the Manuela’s and Hunters no longer exist as Pechanga. We lost all voting rights, right to attend and speak at meetings, health benefits, educational assistance, per capita distribution, elder assistance. Tribal members, who get a huge per capita check per month (As high as $30,500 at one point)that went up each time families were disenrolled still get benefits from the federal government that they don’t even need, but we who need those benefits cannot get them because we were disenrolled.
8. Denial: Mark Macarro had stated that there would be “no more disenrollments” after the Manuela Mirandas were terminated. He also said “what goes on in the tribe is no business of the white man”. He claimed it was “not about the money” yet the total lost to terminated members is over $250 Million. Lost to terminated members, means “found” by those remaining. Chairman Macarro claimed that all parties had due process, when in fact, we were herded into groups, denied writing implements, denied attorneys, denied copies of charges and denied the right to question our accusers. We were given 30 minutes to appeal and again were forced into groups. While not the ovens of Nazi Germany, the implications were clear, we were exterminated.
Disenrollment is PAPER GENOCIDE.
90 comments:
What happens when people who are your accusers, people that have always hated your family, become not only your accusers, but are also your judge and jury?
It is a fact that our ancestor Paulina Hunter was an Indian that lived in the original Temecula Indian village. She was also recognized by members of that tribe as a member via witnessed and certified documents of that period. She was evicted along with the rest of the tribe from that village and moved to the area known as Pechanga to live with them. One of the most revered and respected members of the Tribe most recently wrote before his death in a signed and witnessed document stating that he knew her personally as a member of the tribe. Members who were alive at the time of the creation of the reservation said they knew her personally as a member of the Tribe, they also gave signed witnessed documents stating that they knew her as a member of the tribe. Tribal elders also gave signed and witnessed statements during our hearing that they have always recognized the Hunters as members of the tribe.
Now more than a hundred years after her death, people are trying to say that she was some other kind of Indian, who just happened to live with the tribe in the original village, and the people from that tribe mistakenly believed she was a member. They say that she just happened to be kicked out of the original village to move to Pechanga with the rest of the Tribe to live. They say that the government mistakenly gave her a allotment on the reservation as a Pechanga Indian. That she is listed on the original Pechanga Reservation records as a Temecula Pechanga Indian by mistake (that I might add happened year after year, every year until her death). That tribal members from the period were mistaken when they gave signed witnessed depositions stating that they knew her as a member of the tribe. The disenrollment committee also hired Dr John Johnson, curator of Anthropology at the Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History to check on her. But much to their dismay he came back with a report saying that he was 90% sure (he now says he is 100% sure) that she was a Pechanga Indian
Then they say that the small group known as the CPP (who I might add had previously tried to take over the tribe earlier, but was shot down by the BIA) tell us that THEY know who are "real" members, and that documents mean NOTHING.
We were even told by one member of the disenrollment committee that we were going to be disenrolled no matter WHAT documents we provided. One member even slept throughout our hearing. We were told we could NOT take in writing tools or paper, and could NOT have legal representation, nor given a transcript of the hearings.
Just to let those who are unaware of the history, Pechanga was the name of a place not a tribe, our tribe moved to the area known as Pechanga and later established the reservation on that land known as The Pechanga Reservation.
According to Dr Johnson's report, Mateo Quasicac Paulina Hunter's father was born in Pechanga (this was before there was a reservation). In fact he is the only Indian listed in the mission records as being born at Pechanga. So it would seem that her father being born an Indian at Pechanga makes him a Pechanga Indian even before there was a reservation named Pechanga.
You might ask "if it is a small group, why hasn't the rest of the Tribe tried to put a stop it". Well they DID try a couple years back. In the largest gathering of our Tribe in recorded history, they voted to STOP ALL dissenrollments and remove the disenrollment process from Tribal law by a HUGE margin. Well this so shocked the group that has gained control that they stopped ALL tribal meetings for the next few months, and in secret behind closed doors, guarded by armed guards decided to overthrow the vote of the people and disenroll the Hunters any ways. With such a HUGE voting block now disenrolled they now have assured their control and take over of the tribe.
The same at Mooretown Rancheria we lived in the close vicinity of Featehr Falls and Enterprise , my grandmother was not from Butte County but lived in Butte County the majority of her life was a traditional Maidu, married two Indian men. I had a step grandfather because my mother's father was killed for his gold inn a mine 1913 leaving my grandmother alone with five children she went on to marry Robert Jackson and had four children and moved from Enterprise (which is under Lake Oroville now) and moved to Feather Falls with her new husband Robert Jackson my step -grandfather. Like my mother Cecilia Martin, Kate Archuleta was the step-daughter of Fred Taylor. Those who disclaim her and us were not part of the reservation some came after her death in 1961. Still are told they are lineal members , when I am more native then them, white eyes as the old natives would say told them lies and they believe them , white man speaks with forked tongue to gain wealth and power.
Also who frauded to become what they are today. They have no culture but how to make tortilla's because their grandfather was born in Mexico.
LJE reclassided member of Mooretown Rancheria
Excellent article, couldn't have been broken down any simpler. That is oral tradition, and thanks to the internet Paulina's story will continue to be passed down. As you mentioned she was placed on Pechanga at the creating of the Reservation before many of her accusers families even existed. Goes to show you what kind of Indians they are, they don't follow oral tradition, they don't respect their elders, existing and those before them, they don't take care of their people, because perhaps their not their people, these so called Concerned Pechanga People are from in fact from somewhere else. That is why they do not respect the Indian Way.
excellent O.P.
EVERYONE SHOULD PUT THIS ON THEIR FACEBOOK, PEOPLE NEED TO READ THIS.
Everything written here about Pechanga's Mark Macarro is the truth and nothing but the truth, and as you can read from what LJE above tells you this is also happening in many other tribes.
The BIA and DOJ ARE WELL AWARE OF THE CORRUPTION IN LEADERSHIP OF SOME INDIAN TRIBES. We need to demand that the ICRA is enforced, we must keep it up. I think that we have already caught the eyes and ears of WASH.D.C.
stand your ground and move forward
Interesting that Ruth Masiel and Francis Miranda voted to disenroll the Hunters in 2006 while sitting on the enrollment committee and Raymond Basquez and Vincent Ibanez submitted statements against their tribal membership saying they had never been recognized as true Pechanga tribal members.
However, years earlier these same people, while all serving on the enrollment committee, signed a Hunter family elder's date stamped approval letter and Vincent Ibanez signed her enrollment card during open enrollment, which occured between 1979 and 1996.
So if they always truly believed that the Hunters never were recognized as tribal members, then why sign a Hunter family member's official enrollment documents in the first place?
So what changed years later when the Hunters were disenrolled?
Can we say the tribe got the casino?
Thanks Luiseno for filling in some other information for us.
Someone said to put this on FB, that's a great idea. The more people that see it, the better. I hope those who have been disenrolled from other tribes join in.
Why are there some words that show up in a different color?
Maybe Macarro disregarded John Johnson's report because Mr. Johnson could claim/prove that Mark's family is not from Pechanga or from Temecula, so he needed to ensure no report from Dr. Jhnson would be acknowledged. And, obvioiusy the rest of the adopted have no Pechanga/Temecula blood either. Their CDIB card is ZERO %
Also, remember Jennie, who said in front of everyone that the disenrollements did not apply to her because her family was adopted?? The constitution does not allow adoptions, those that believe that they have been adopted must know that they are mite-like squatters, who have just had the luck to have taken over illegally...for now. The right spray some day will come to correct the infestation.
Very likely a wrong view: "The Picayune Rancheria, near Fresno, eliminated almost 50% of their tribe." In fact, a tribe disenrolls individuals who cannot meet the criteria for tribal membership. Thus, a tribe does not eliminate a part of their tribe, but conforms the membership to the membership criteria. These non-members cannot let go their disappointment, anger, confusion, and bitterness due to their plight. In turn, these non-members lash out at others whom they blame for the outcome of disenrollment. Yet, a legitimate internal tribal process determines the tribe's membership. A tribe determines its own membership in its own forum. Others outside the tribe have difficulty accepting this process because it appears arcane. Typically, even the disenrollees do not understand this process, and become all the more embittered when it results in their ouster. Hence, the disenrollees try to deligitimize this process. Instead, these non-members should try to live a normal life as Americans, while looking on the bright side of life.
The reason Jenni said this is that the leyva line cant show the are Temecula valley Indians also there documantation shows it has been forged. this show Jenni Andrew and Ruth and Irene have comited a crime obtane Indian status. Dont foget Irene worked at the BIA.Irene was caught changing there blood quantum and her neise had Reta had to pay back school loan because her quantum was not enough.
It's not unusual for people to think they have been "cheated" from their membership when the people judging them,in this case the Pechanga Enrollment committee and their families stand to gain from the dismissal of the families they themselves put up for termination.
“Conforms membership to fit criteria?”
That is most laughable. Life long members, who more than meet the requirements are stripped of their citizen rights by a faction who most likely does not meet the definition of membership themselves.
Never the less, these people who have suffered at the hands of these people have used the so called tribal process to correct these mistakes, with no avail.
Defrauding the Federal Government has grave consequences and there will be investigations. The current council's can do the right thing and bring these people back to share in the fruits that have flourished. Or continue down this distrustful path and witness the outcome for all future generations.
To those who are under the mistaken impression that disenrollments are conducted within proper guidlines and are a result of the disenrollee's failure to meet membership criteria, WOW, really?? Do you beleive that governments of any nation ALWAYS work impartially, fairly and honestly?? Individuals are never wronged? Governments always work in the best interest of its people?? They are never driven by special interest, "their own". Please educate yourselves, read a newspaper, Look at the city council of Bell California, they were entrusted with the duty to operate within certain laws and guidlines and did they? Whose interest did they seek?? Their own selfish agenda. It is shameful to say but Pechanga's council led by Marc Macarro has operated similarly seeking out their own agenda, I will speak in regards to Pechanga because I have firsthand experience and do not speak from heresay. So please do not tell me I do not know what blood runs through my veins, that I do not know my family history, and that what I experienced in the disenrollment process was fair and legal. I can only fight for myself and my children for truth and justice, I do not accept the wrong done, just as those individuals in Bell fought til justice was brought about, so will I.
Another point is Pechanga as of 2005 had no process. It was voted on and then disbanned according to tribal law. The corrupt council allowed a corrupt faction to continue a witch hunt and in a stroke of a pen rewrote Pechanga tribal identity. The disenrolled understand this and continue to fight for the right things. There are current tribal families who have been threatened by Mark Macarro with disenrollment for asking questions about the tribal disenrollment process that is no more part of Pechanga tribal law. Anyone who knows the facts should separate themselves from the wolves who have hijacked the Temecula reservation. Hard times are coming, what side of the river will you stand on?
Irene S. is part of the Leyva family. She was caught at the BIA while working there altering documents for her family. Creating an Indian Ancestry that never existed. When the full investigation is complete people will be held accountable. Being culpable of these actions does not mean innocence of action.
Dear Gentle readers,
remember that the Tribal Chairman and council can correct errors in all tribal matters under the direction form the Tribal General Membership. At this point, dirty secrets have been shared and direct action needs to take place immediately. Direct the council to revisit this mistake and make the honorable decision. Many people understand today that a huge mistake was made and continuing to ignore it will effect our future in a negative way.
Act now, the timing is right.
Excellent analysis!
I recently attended a Federal Bar Association luncheon where the president of the FBA, a Native American himself, stated there is current efforts to amend the Indian Civil Rights Act to address this problem. I wonder if anyone here have heard anything of these efforts.
Our critic from the tribe said:
"Typically, even the disenrollees do not understand this process, and become all the more embittered when it results in their ouster. Hence, the disenrollees try to deligitimize this process."
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AT PECHANGA (The official title of the tribe is the Temecula Band aka Pechanga):
Raymond Basquez Sr and Yolie McCarter submitted statements against our tribal membership and a lot of their close family members; sons, nieces, nephews, and close cousins signed at least one of those statement in support of disenrolling us.
Ruth Masiel and Irhene Scearce, who were on the enrollment committee, are the sisters of Raymond Basquez Sr and close relatives of the others who signed a statement against us, the Hunters' tribal membership, and Andy Masiel Sr ruled on our appeal to the tribal council who is the son or Ruth M, the nephew of Irehne S, and a close cousin of the others.
We asked the enrollment committee and the tribal council to make those individuals with a clear conflict of interest be made to step aside from ruling on our disenrollment case but those people were allowed to rule on our case anyway and we were disenrolled by a one vote margin on both the committee and the council.
So if biased people with a clear conflict of interest did not rule on our disenrollment case, we would not have been disenrolled.
"IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE BAND TO UPHOLD AND ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION, BYLAWS, AND ORDINANCES OF THE TEMECULA BAND OF LUISENO MISSION INDIANS; AND ALSO, TO UPHOLD THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF EACH MEMBER WITHOUT MALICE OR PREJUDICE."
So we are not deligitimizing this process, quite the contrary we understand very well the process and we are demanding, for the above reasons and other reasons, that our Band's constitution and bylaws and laws be followed and that our disenrollments be thrown out.
As the ruling to disenroll us would not stand in any fair and imparital judicial proceedings but clearly what happened when we were disenrolled was hardly fair and impartial.
Erick Rhoan said...
"Excellent analysis!
I recently attended a Federal Bar Association luncheon where the president of the FBA, a Native American himself, stated there is current efforts to amend the Indian Civil Rights Act to address this problem. I wonder if anyone here have heard anything of these efforts."
Congressman Mike Thompson, D Ca, has been pushing for hearings on enforcement of the ICRA.
Below is a link with some background information on his request to the chariman of the House Resources Committee.
http://www.change.org/petitions/view/hold_oversight_hearings_on_the_lack_of_enforcement_of_indian_civil_rights_act_of_1968
Again, Article V of the Band's constitution and bylaws says
"IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE BAND TO UPHOLD AND ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION, BYLAWS, AND ORDINANCES OF THE TEMECULA BAND OF LUISENO MISSION INDIANS; AND ALSO, TO UPHOLD THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF EACH MEMBER WITHOUT MALICE OR PREJUDICE."
So to our critic from the tribe, how was allowing biased people with a conflict of interest to rule on our disenrollments not malice or prejudice against us?
You keep saying we got due process so how was that so?
So it is you who doesn't understand the laws and procedures of the Band not us or it is the case that your are lying?
Also, Article VIII of the Band's constitution and bylaws says under meetings:
"The simple majority of members present shall rule and decide in all matters of government and business of the Band, unless stipulated in these Bylaws."
Well on July 17, 2005 the General Membership approved a law outlawing disenrollment and to strike the disenrollmet procedures as a part of tribal law and the new law stated that everyone who was a tribal member as of the justificatin date of the petition, June 19, 2005, would remain a tribal member.
So not only does the Band's constitution and bylaws not stipulate anywhere that the enrollment committee is the final authority regarding enrollment or disenrollment, the procedures to move againt us, the Hunters, didn't even exist when we were disenrolled in 2006.
So it was within the authority of the People to stop our, the Hunters disenrollment, and they did so on July 17, 2005 so our disenrollment is null and void.
The problem all along has been, if a tribe doesn't even follow their own rules, who can make them do so?
PLEASE ENFORCE THE INDIAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACT (ICRA)!
please follow up with a letter to your local representative. Darrell Issa is the chair of the judicial committee, cc him with any correspondence.
https://forms.house.gov/issa/webforms/contact.html
To many good comments, but where is Ms.Jenny, Ed? Raymond? Where are their comments to explain how Indians "adopted" have more ties than true Natives. How "disenrollment" was NEVER a process in tribes. You submitted your papers if you met the criteria you were enrolled. Now years later they are reopening files and disenrolling on by any means. In the case of Pechanga the TRIBE presented, voted, and passed a petition stating NO MORE DISENROLLMENTS. But the tribal council over ruled and disenrolled the Hunters anyway. Does that sound like due process, fair tribal leadership when they go AGAINST the TRIBE? Anyone who says disenrollment is a process is lying. Anyone who says, you may not understand it, well you don't understand because it is made up with no criteria, no legitimacy, and NOT customary in ANY Native American Culture. Pechanga adopted some families at one time and look how they pay back the goodness of the tribe.
The non-members (AKA disenrollees) continue to slam the process and the Pechanga people, blaming it and them for the outcome of the inquiry into their membership qualifications. Notice, Dear Reader, that the mouthpieces for the Hunter clan never address the fact that their declared ancestor, Paulina Walla Hunter, had no available birth record. Or the fact that while the historical record lists the parents of PWH, nobody knows their ancestry. Or the uncomfortable fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs has no Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood on file for PWH, meaning the BIA never tracked PWH as an Indian. The list goes on. The Hunter clan lost its place on the membership roll because the clan failed to produce the material necessary to meet the criteria for tribal membership. In addition, misleadingly, these non-members try to lump the enrollment committee with the tribal council. The two bodies operate separately. The Pechanga people established the enrollment committee in the early 1970s with the mandate to identify the tribal membership. The tribal council exercises oversight of this committee, of course, as it does over other official tribal activity. But the council does not direct the work of the committee or control the decision-making of it or otherwise manage committee business outcomes. The Pechanga people deliberately set up an enrollment committee apart from the political process, to consider facts and information relating to its mandate, to identify the tribal membership. Desperate, however, when the handwriting appeared on the wall, the Hunter clan tried to bring politics to bear on the disenrollment process, to stop its proper function of removing non-members from the membership roll. This effort failed. The process went forward. Doing its duty, the enrollment committee disenrolled the Hunter clan, returning it to its true status as non-members. A reasonable person may conclude the Hunter clan willfully ignores counter-information, and in so doing, presents a false face to others. This behavior calls into question the integrity, candor, and motivation of the Hunter clan, and subtracts from its credibility.
Maybe we should educate ourselves a little...
There is no true degree of Indian blood, as this term
was originally based on English horse breeding. It was
used by the commissioner of the Office of Indian
Affairs during the 1800s so that the Department of
War could track and provide an accounting of Indian
men and their families by identifying intermarriages
or children born of Indian females. The Indian agent
provided a census to the Office of Indian Affairs that
included head of household, occupation, name of wife
or wives, and names and ages of children. The Indian
agent, as an official representative of the federal gov-
ernment, made an arbitrary determination as to the
degree of Indian blood. For example, if an individual
was part of a tribe and both parents were of the same
tribe, then that offspring was considered “full blood.”
If one parent was non-Indian, then the child was con-
sidered a “half-breed.” The CDIB became an issue
when tribes became eligible for federal funding and
criteria were established.
Eligibility requirements were implemented for
enrollment into federally recognized American Indian
tribes and for villages in Alaska that were not American
Indian but Alaska Native, Eskimo, and Inuit (who do
not consider themselves to be American Indians cultur-
ally or linguistically). American Indian tribes estab-
lished tribal constitutions beginning in 1934. Many
tribes accepted the enrollment criteria based on guide-
lines from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Politically and
in federal regulations, Alaska Natives, Eskimo, and
Inuit are listed under the labels American Indian/Alaska
Native or Native Americans. However, the enrollment
criteria are based on village status and their relationship
to the regional organizations that were established as
part of the Alaskan Settlement of 1973.
Some federally recognized tribes have restructured
their constitutions to change the criteria for member-
ship to the traditional matriarchal or patriarchal lineage
that was determined by family names, kinships, or
84———Certificate of Degree of Indian Bloodrelationships. Some tribes use the original 1888–1898
Dawes Allotment Rolls from the Office of Indian Affairs.
This permits tribes to select lineage as the determinate
of eligibility for enrollment. Other tribes have changed
their constitutions to be inclusive of all tribal heritage.
Therefore, anyone eligible for tribal enrollment in a
particular tribe would be considered 4/4 (100%) Indian
or as much of any one tribe as the family line can
document. There is also a federal process to become a
federally recognized tribe. Texas, Louisiana, and South
Carolina have state-recognized tribes.
The Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood was
established prior to 1900 by the U.S. government as
an accounting census.
I do believe that this is a simple solution to quiet all those who doubt the Hunter's ability to prove lineal descent. This also gives an opportunity to all the other families that claim lineal descent to an original temecula-pechanga person the chance to provide the proof for all to see.
A "SPECIAL MEETING" should be called and EACH family line should provide the documentation set out according to the Constitution and By-Laws criteria for enrollment.
This way there are no longer any doubts as to who "belongs" and who doesn't.
A public forum would allow everyones questions to be answered.
You have challenged us so now I challenge the tribe.
Thank You Hunter Woman. A special meeting with the tribe is the way it should be handled. Of course, people like Ed, Jenni, Raymond would not want this. They loose there control on that one.
Dear Gentle readers,
The accusations mentioned from the post above @ September 25, 2010 9:57 AM were clearly disputed by the Hunter Clan. The other thing worth mentioning is the fact that the enrollment comittee hired a renowned anthropologist Dr. John Johnson to review and report to the Ancestry of Paulina Walla Hunter. To our dismay and his the enrollment committee ignored his findings. In his conclusion any current family at Pechanga would not be able to determine the birth records for Indians born during her period because of lost information due to looting and fires. Taking into account this fact he prepaired a report off of oral depositions and remaining mission padrone records and came to the conclusion that Paulina Hunters father was the only Indian recorded to have been born at Pechanga.
Fair and impartial hearings is a farse. They ignored crucial facts and findings. Dirty secrets will be revealed.
" Paulina Walla Hunter, had no available birth record. Or the fact that while the historical record lists the parents of PWH..."
It is obvious that the above writer does not know there own Tribes history, nor are they aware that 100% of the Tribe suffer from the same problem from records during that period. That a fire at the Mission destroyed a lot of the birth records of that period. That is why depositions taken from people who were alive at the time of Paulina Hunter and who knew her are so important. Statements that were both signed and witnessed, legal documents which were ignored by the enrollment committee.
I have a stack of certified documents here (duplicates of those I turned in) that stands approx 6" tall full of evidence, statements, etc that shoot holes all through the above writers attempt to pull the wool over your eyes.
People Should Not Be Afraid Of Their Government; Governments Should Be Afraid Of Their People....
Iknow the tosobal clan meets the criteria for enrollment . How come we are not inrolled
QUITthe B.S its all about money .The more people enrolled the less per cap everyone gets . It has not a f---en thing to do with who P W H was or was not
Ican not belive you are wasting your time on who she was everyone knows that the hunters belong now climb back under your rock and go away
TRUE TEMECULA INDIANS STEP FOWARD
"Iknow the tosobal clan meets the criteria for enrollment . How come we are not inrolled"
Because the tribe continues to violate the Band's constitution and bylaws that says open enrollment is the first month of each year.
If Irene got caught changing records of blood quantum how do we know she didnt do something with P.W.H RECORDS ever thought about that who elses records did she mess with
Mary Bono, Mike Thompson this is a federal crime altering federal documants. its time to investegate the riverside B.I.A.. you have a responsibility and as a congress person.
The Tosobol clan is not enrolled because the enrollment committee felt they were "johnny come latelies".
"The Tosobol clan is not enrolled because the enrollment committee felt they were "johnny come latelies"."
But if they had their paperwork in before the deadline for the start of the moratorium, then they should be in even if none of their direct line before that was in or not.
They are definitly orgiginal people and it is not the enrollment committee's call to decide otherwise.
All they were supposed to do was verify if they were original people and not to put their applications aside, which is what they reportedly did to some families they did not like.
Your statement "They are definitly orgiginal people and it is not the enrollment committee's call to decide otherwise." makes no sense what so ever. The Hunters are also definitely orgiginal people and the enrollment committee still decided otherwise.
What the enrollment committee did to us, the Hunters, was illegal, and if the Tosabols did get their applications in before the deadline, then that was illegal too so yes, it is not the enrollment committee's call to decide that the Hunters and the Tosabols are not Pechanga when we both have proof that we are.
One is not exclusive to the other
Besides, open enrollment is supposed to be every January anyway so the moratorium, even if it was a legitimate law, never should have lasted this long anyway.
The original moratorium was only supposed to last one year so the committee could get caught up on the applications that were coming in so the question is, why has it lasted thirteen years now?
Are you a tribal members trying to divide those of us who have been wronged by our tribe by pointing fingers at one family or another?
IT WON'T WORK, WE ARE UNITED.
It's called open enrollment for a reason: To bring those who belong into the tribe.
Tosobols should be in the tribe, even if many don't do the work that takes them there.
All tosobols are united !well all fight for each other and were all in this together! I dont know where you get your information from, we are a very tight knit family!
Tight knit is great for barbeques, but if you don't spread the word, who hears it?
I see few Tosobols or Hunters or Guavish here or Apish either.. not even your own families care, why should anyone else?
Guero, Polywog, Stand your ground, creeper, amokat..not a strong showing.. you've got the tribe scared..
As said before, dont worry youself with the numbers. There is alot more than the people who frequent this blog. Hundreds of allottees, and moritorium people have submitted information to the appropriate departments. All the illegal, corrupt activities are being looked at. Continue to follow here if you like. Big things are happening.
Polywog oops someone cant spell or has memory loss YOU may be trying to get info maybe some reading will help just a little suggestion
Hey anonymus 10:02 AM, you know as well as we do that the information of Pechanga'S corruption is out there for everyone to read and hear, yeah you know it, admit it.
.....playing your games, hmm.....
we are the STALKERS of the PECHANGA CORRUPT OFFICIALS...
as much as you all want us to go away, it aint happening.
Idont know how you can say to few tosobal I am on OP everyday and so is most of family I coment on every post if I can
MIKE R
Mike R. dont sweat it bro. We all know whats goin down. People are shakin in their boots, that we are pounding the pavement. Keep up the good work. The ones who come here and post these comments are the scared ones. If they were not scared they would just go on and not worry about comming here and making those silly posts.
It only takes time, and we all have it. The corrupt just wish we would go away. I'll tell you now, we aint goin nowhere.
The corrupt are breathing easier now that they don't have a strong voice in Mr. Norman Pico to stand up for what is right.
Will a Munoa stand up? John, time to take a lead.
dont look to john munoa he has not done much to help his own family when he use to see us on the rez before banisment he hardly gave us the time of day he is no leader
TIGHT KNIT IS GREAT FOR BBQS WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN! FIRST OF ALL YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO SPEAK ENGLISH, AND WHEN YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT WRGHT BACK !?
Anonymous said...
TIGHT KNIT IS GREAT FOR BBQS WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN! FIRST OF ALL YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO SPEAK ENGLISH, AND WHEN YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT WRGHT BACK !?
October 16, 2010 5:50 PM
Well it looks like someone needs to learn how to spell and use grammar. First your one sentence is not correct, you actually have one big run-on sentence. Second, the one coma that you used is in the wrong place, and last genius, there is incorrect word usage. For example, when you use the word Wright, you are using it incorrectly. It is a proper noun, usually the surname of a person or name of a company, such as, Wright Industries. The word you should have learned in the sixth grade is "write". Good luck on selling your point. Sounds like something the potato would write.
I'd assume that tight knit is good for bbq's means that anybody can get together when it's easy, but to have the whole group come together for a good fight or struggle is two separate things.
I've seen video of the Liska court cases, all the Rios family were old people.... where are the young people?
Same with Hunters....where are the younger generation? They should be telling this story in school for assignments and get their friends to spread the word.
from a old Rios person Idont know about you but for my self well I try to teach my grandchildern how to speak temecula indians Ican bet my kids know more then yours when I am on the computer Itell them I am working for their future witch I will not stop till they put me in the ground
KISS MY ASS OCTOBER 17th, like your so smart! arent you one of the casino mexicans?
Anonymous said...
KISS MY ASS OCTOBER 17th, like your so smart! arent you one of the casino mexicans?
Well I am sorry “Anonymous” that my post upset you so much. It looks like you are looking for a fight, I hope not, but you should use spell-check it works wonders. To answer your questions I was enrolled in the tribe in the mid-80s way before there was a casino. I am Indian as is the rest of my family, yet we were disenrolled in 2004 so I do not believe that I am a casino Indian. You should also know that I am not in the ass-kissing business. Last I have learned quite a lot at school in fact I am currently working on another degree in Social Work got a problem with that. Ask around about me and if you still have a problem with me well we can remedy that, unless it is you “Ed the Potato Head” I know you are nothing more than a sniveling coward.
My name is Guero Nunez aka White Buffalo
That is great, Ed the Potato Head.
It didn't dawn on me that Mr. Potato head, aka the Grand Potato, rhymes with Ed. LoL!
The NAACP should be aware of this post.
The greater of the NAACP are in it only for themselves, they know about the injustices being perpetraded in Indian Country.
From Wikipedia CDIB:
Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood or Certificate of Degree of Alaska Native Blood (both abbreviated CDIB) is an official U.S. document that certifies an individual possesses a specific degree of Native American blood of a federally recognized Indian tribe, band, nation, pueblo, village, or community.[1] They are issued by the Bureau of Indian Affairs after the applicant supplies a completed genealogy with supporting legal documents such as birth certificates, showing their descent, through one or both birth parents, from an enrolled Indian or an Indian listed in a base roll such as the Dawes Rolls. Blood degree cannot be obtained through adoptive parents.[1] The blood degree on previously issued CDIBs or on the base rolls in the filer's ancestry are used to determine the filer's blood degree (unless they challenge them as inaccurate). Information collected for the filing is held confidential by privacy laws, except if the CDIB is related to assigned duties.[1]
A CDIB can show only the blood degree of one tribe or the total blood degree from all tribes in the filer's ancestry. Some tribes require a specific minimum degree of tribal ancestry for membership, which might require the first type of certificate, while some federal benefits programs require a minimum total Indian blood degree so an individual might require the second type of certificate to qualify. For example, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians requires at least 1/16 degree of Eastern Cherokee blood for tribal membership, the Bureau of Indian Affairs' Higher Education Grant for college expenses requires a 1/4 degree minimum.[2]
A Certificate Degree of Indian Blood does not establish membership in a tribe. Tribal membership is determined by tribal laws and may or may not require a CDIB or may require a separate tribal determination of ancestry or blood degree.[3]
The CDIB is controversial, both from a race politics perspective, in general, and in particular, because non-federally recognized tribes are not eligible for the card nor for the benefits which require one. Some groups such as the Freedman, descendants of black slaves who may be eligible for tribal membership are often not eligible for a CDIB because they are not Indian by blood or their degree of blood was not recorded in the base rolls (where Freedman was used instead of stating a degree).[4]
What year did this start because Paulina Hunter was listed on Census Records from the before the inception of the Temecula Indian Reservation aka Pechanga as Head of Household=100% Temecula Indian. Just so happens that Mateo, Paulina’s father, was born at Pechanga... Ironic because he was the only one recorded at this place of birth in the surviving Pardons from the San Luis Rey Mission.
How it is that all the Paulina’s descendants were issued CDIB if she was not Pechanga. It is a federal crime to claim a CDIB if you are not of direct decent from a member of a federally recognized tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/idc/groups/public/documents/text/idc-001805.pdf
We have learned so much about these issues at hand. The thieving liars are so wrong and the truth is about to hit the fan. Close your eyes. This will be over soon…
One would think it would be a federal crime to change the designation of CDIBs as recently, since their disenrollment, reportedly descendants of Paulina Hunter have been issued cards that say San Luis Rey on them despite the fact that in the past they were issued cards that call them Pechanga.
So if someone in the Riverside BIA office has changed the tribal affliation, isn't that tampering with historical documents and isn't that a federal crime?
This is backed up by someone from another family who is stuck in the moratorium who has a CDIB card that says Pechanga and when she told someone from the Pechanga cultural department that her card says Pechanga she reportedly was told that she wasn't supposed to have that on her card as only tribal members can get that designation.
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Mark Macarro has always said that Paulina Hunter was a white woman from Los Angles and came to Pechanga every year to get on the Pechanga Census in the 1890s just to claim free land on the Rez. He obliviously did not read any of the 100s of certified documentation submitted by the Hunter family to the Tribal Council and Dr. John Johnson's report also submitted, explaining that Paulina Hunter was full blooded Temecula/Pechanga Indian! Dr. Johnson stated he was 100% sure of it! Mark Macarro does not even know his own ancestry. His Great Grandfather even married Paulina's sister! But had no children from her. Juan Macarro was previously married to a woman from Pauma Tribe and that is where the Macarro descendants came from. He is just trying to protect himself because he is not Pechanga decent!
It is actually Paulina Hunter's cousin, not her sister who Macarro's ancestor, Juan Macarro married.
So the Macarros are from Juan's first wife and not his second wife?
Because if that is the case, then Mark really isn't Pechanga.
Hahaha hes one to think hes more Pechanga than the Hunter clan. Bajajaja.
Department of Interior states Geronimo and Maria Medrano Mission Pechanga daughter Grisilda... her brothers and sisters Geronimo, Jose Antonio, Isabel,Martina,Juana,Teodoro.
" He obliviously did not read any of the 100s of certified documentation submitted by the Hunter family to the Tribal Council and Dr. John Johnson's report also submitted"
During out hearing Mark told us he was unaware and had not read any of the items or documents we had submitted. I was shocked to hear him admit that he didn't think it was important enough to review them.
The truth is crystal clear.
We have a black ass nig on our picayu ne council and he says hes indian thats why indian country is fcked up anybody can be indian it seems like yet my family got disenrolled.
December 24, 2014 at 6:04 AM
You are too much, I suppose you are full blooded? I think that the color of a persons skin colors your judgment. But then everyone is allowed their opinion because opinions are like assholes right, or is it some people are just assholes. forgive my language OP.
To the person who is speaking about Vernon..you guys was always fucked up before he got on tribal council. Ask Nancy Wyatt & the Ramirez,and that unification board. Ask them why you and your sorry ass family got disenrolled because they done it. Kissing cousins Karen Wynn & Tracy etc.i bet you don't know who your relatives are. Ted Adkins is a nigger, your mama layed with a nigger. You are mad at the wrong person. Continue to hate yourself and blame Vernon for being way more chukchansi then you. And I know who you are..cause you talk too much
How come we never see any posts on the CORRUPT Saginaw Chippewa Tribe in Mchigan,this tribe changes he guide lines for enrollment too meet thier agenda too dis-enroll members and devide familys,this is the only tribe in Michigan that I know of that have dis-enrolled members-once a member always a member-CORRUPT-CORRUPT GREED-GREED..
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