What's good for the goose, isn't good for the gander at Pechanga. The Pechanga Constitution and Bylaws were not applied evenly in two family's who were disenrolled nor were they followed by Mark Macarro and his cohorts. Follow the logic here:
The baptism of Candelaria, daughter of Juana Apis, in some San Diego records.
On 26 August 1853, a priest named Holbein (sp.?) baptized a number of people at San Luis Rey, including many from Temecula. The fifth person was:
Ma Candelaria, nacida in Temecula, de edad de 10 meses, hija de MaJuana Apis, y fueron madrina Ma I. la Concepcion, india. [The plural fueron was used by this priest, probably out of habit because usually the child had a godmother and godfather. For child number 4, Pablo Apis (would have been Pablito) was the only godparent, but the priest also used the plural fueron in that record.]
Maria Candelaria, born in Temecula, at the age of 10 months, daughter of Maria Juana Apis and the godmother was Maria I. la Concepcion, Indian.
What is interesting is that there is no mention of Anselmo Nesicat or any father. Juana is listed under Anselmo Borrego (assumed to be same as Anselmo Nesicat by many) in the 1852 census on October 13, 1852. Candelaria would have been born about the same time as this census was taken or shortly afterwards.
Finding a baptismal record without mention of a father and in the absence of much other solid evidence makes it difficult to support a claim that a specific person was one’s ancestor. OP: In the Paulina Hunter case, there was both a FATHER and MOTHER, see HERE
In other words, with no mention of a father, how can Candelaria Flores' ancestors lay claim to lineal descent solely through Juana Apis, the daughter of Pablo Apis. The Enrollment Committee, including Frances Miranda, concluded that lineal descent from Pablo Apis did not meet the enrollment requirements. OP: Then WHY is Frances Miranda and her relatives STILL IN THE TRIBE? What makes a PECHANGA INDIAN?
Exactly! Even stranger than that...investigate France's identity. A phanthom.
ReplyDeleteYes it does 1928 application for enrollment in pechanga with the Dept of Interior states Anselmo Niesakat Full blooded and Juana Apish Full blooded mother and father of Custoia Niesakat Full blooded married to John Magee.
ReplyDeleteTHAT LAST COMMENT SMELLS LIKE FISH. WHY WASN'T IT RECORDED THAT WAY THE FIRST TIME AROUND?
ReplyDeleteThe baptism of Candelaria, daughter of Juana Apis, in some San Diego records. VS Dept of Interior records with affidavit signed pala agency app 1214 dept of interior.
ReplyDeletebaptism records don't mean shit! A church is not an agency or court.
OPechanga, how can you be contacted directly? I have some ideas for you to try, and would rather not post them in public.
ReplyDeleteSo Joe Liska is the great great great grandson of pablo apish?
ReplyDeleteJoe Liska-fred Magee-Robert magee-John magee or custonia niesakat -anselmo niesakat or juana apish-paublo apish?
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ReplyDeleteMark Macarro does own property on the Rez, located by were Snake lives (Wolfs sister). He shares his property with some of the Hunter clan. That's why he hate them, because some of them will not back down from him or his fat pig monkey brother. The only way to know if he pays the State tax or does not. Write a letter to start a Investigation & if there is a lot of money involved, they will pursue him like he pursued the Hunter family.
what that was random about the fat pig?
ReplyDeleteHe,s bad ass ,don't mess with him nigga's !
ReplyDeleteMAYBE SOMEOME SHOULD DROP A DIME ON THE "MACARRO CARTEL" TO THE STATE ABOUT HIS. AND THE OTHERS IN HIS LITTLE CLUB "NOT PAYING TAXES" BY USING AN ADDRESS ON THE RESERVATION AND LIVING OUTSIDE OF SAME. WHERE DOES BUTCH MURPHY LIVE? OFF THE RESERVATION TOO?
ReplyDeleteWHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM? SO MANY POSTS FROM ANONYMOUS YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH WHO IS WHO. REGARDING THE POST OF APRIL 14 AT 10:11 AM. THAT WAS TOTALLY OFF THE WALL AND VERY UNAPPRORIATE. WAS THAT FROM THE "MACARRO CARTEL"? IF SO, "CAN'T SAY MUCH, HUH"
ReplyDeleteTake off cap lock NIGGA!
ReplyDeleteWhy do people always say Someone SHOUlD do something? Why don't You do it?
ReplyDeleteMexico border crossing document identify Anselmo Nesicat, Juana, and children as Mexican.
ReplyDeleteFrances and Ruth are non-entities.
I also have many ideas and do not want to expose them here.
ReplyDeletehaha,border card wtf,not talking about Frances and Ruth, talking about robert magee ,freds father and legal DOI paperwork 7 pages app1214 signed that show only fred and Inez as roberts kids on this (mmm)I see marriage card with 6 kids (mmm).
ReplyDeleteRuth and frances are from some mexican jockey from tijuana.
ReplyDeleteMark is from East La.
How do you connect juana apish to paublo apis as a daughter I see no history or records anywhere? I see the two daughters listed in the USD history but nothing else?
ReplyDeletesmells like fish,his daughters are maria jesus AND maria antonio ?
ReplyDeleteDifferent records; different info.
ReplyDeleteOne tidbit cited John Magee as Enrique Macarro's FATHER!LOL and he had at least 3 different mothers.
Think maybe people confusing Pablo Apis and his son Pablito also referred to as Pablo Apis at times.
All enrolled pechanga people are smelly good for nothing thieving WETBACKS!
ReplyDeleteIt's amusing how many of this blogs commenters resort to racist comments, as if most who are lineal descendents don't have Mexican ancestry.
ReplyDeleteNobody is full blood Pechanga Temecula Indian.
Is it that drunk Liska?
Ya Liska you racist,put down the rum and quit messing with those people who say they are pechanga Indian.
ReplyDeleteNigga Magee
ReplyDeleteThis is america if that person wants to post about smelly wetback pechanga members (its his right) the owner of this site has the right to remove the post (if he feels it is not true)!
ReplyDeleteLets not even put pechanga women in the same boat as HOT ASS latina WOMEN get real not even close.
ReplyDeleteLatina's are HOT!
Is it not legal for Pechanga Tribal to have a declared residence on the reservation, but actually live outside of it? What's wrong with that? I don't understand the tax issue. This forum is getting frustrating to follow with the ignorant slurs, the my-daddy-was, his-daddy-was, not-really-indian blah blah blah.
ReplyDeleteThis whole blog is a very serious matter, yet those working for the cause aren't really helping with their desperate comments.
I'm an outside fan of this site looking in, and some of you are making fools out of yourselves. If you want support, you need to carry yourself in a way that doesn't make you look like undeserving twits.
Well put, outside fan!
ReplyDelete"Is it not legal for Pechanga Tribal to have a declared residence on the reservation, but actually live outside of it? What's wrong with that? I don't understand the tax issue."
ReplyDeleteIf that person claimed he or she lived on the Rez and didn't pay state taxes on his or her per capita money, that would be income tax evasion.
Everyone pays federal income tax on their per capita money if they live on the Rez or not but those who live off of the Rez are required to also pay state income tax on that money.
so give us some names of people?
ReplyDeleteDon,t matter macarro can tell them to kiss his left butt cheek ,nothing will happen,just like on this blog.
ReplyDelete"so give us some names of people?"
ReplyDeleteI don't personally know who claims they live on the Pechanga Rez but don't really live there and who are evading state income tax.
Unlike the people who disenrolled my family, I don't try and convict people on hearsay.
Maybe someone else knows this but I don't.
As a Cherokee Woman I am proud of who I am And of My Indian Heritage I have a gift that was given me and intend to live and learn the Indian way
ReplyDeleteWhat could we do if we knew for a fact that there are people that have a "residence" on the reservation, but live elsewhere? Who could one go to that would actually care?
ReplyDeleteThe IRS
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