UPDATE: The comment section is proving to be on of the biggest since the Snoqualmie issue. Take a look at the comments
Eight people have been ousted from the Pala Band of Mission Indians in North County, including a former leader of the tribe, because officials say they have determined the individuals did not have strong enough family ties to the tribe.
The eight individuals are members of the Freeman family, including King Freeman, former chairman of the tribe and owner of the Pala Store on Highway 76, and his son, Tony Freeman. A spokesman for the tribe said Tuesday that the dispute over the Freemans' membership in the tribe had been ongoing since 1989 and that it was an internal tribal matter.
"The courts have consistently held that membership issues are determined by the tribes," said Doug Elmets, a spokesman for Pala. OP: They all speak from the same script
The tribe ruled June 1 that the eight individuals did not have the minimum 1/16 Pala blood required to be members, Elmets said. They were given 30 days to appeal the decision, but they missed the deadline, Elmets said.
The 900-member tribe owns Pala Casino Resort and Spa, a large gambling resort complex, on Highway 76 about 15 miles north of Escondido.
Many tribes have "blood quantum laws" to determine membership. Those laws, introduced by the federal government in the 1930s, describe the degree of ancestry that is required to belong to a particular tribe.
King Freeman and his son, Tony, could not be reached for comment.
The ouster of the eight individuals from Pala is the latest in a string of disenrollments from local tribes. The Pechanga Band of Mission Indians, which owns a large hotel and casino complex near Temecula, has expelled about 240 members since 2004.
About 60 members of the San Pasqual Band of Mission Indians in Valley Center, which owns the Valley View Casino and Hotel, were expelled from the tribe earlier this year.
The disenrollments in Pechanga and San Pasqual were over questions of heritage, tribal leaders said. However, members of the ousted families allege they were kicked out for other reasons, including politics and greed. OP: Pechanga's disenrollments eliminated opposition voices, which allowed Council Members Mark Macarro, Andrew Masiel and Butch Murphy (who was adopted) to control power. Imagine eliminated 25% of Democratic votes. The GOP would gain and hold power.
One of the benefits of belonging to wealthy casino tribes is that members get a share of the gambling profits, which can total thousands of dollars a month. Fewer members can mean more money for individuals. OP: Pechanga's disenrollments accounts to THEFT of the per capita of the terminated members. That dollar amount has reached $1.4 MILLION from each terminated member.
King Freeman, a lifelong resident of the Pala reservation, served a total of 19 years as chairman of the tribal council and six years as vice chairman. His last term ended in 2001 OP: So, does anyone REALLY think that it's an issue of blood quantum?
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1 – 200 of 606 Newer› Newest»Another sad day for Indian country. TRibal disenrollments need to be investigated by congress.
Sounds like the Freemans pissed off someone that has the power to dis-enfranchise them. I can't believe we let them bully us out of our heritage. When will indian country unite to stop this madness.
Interestingly enough, this article was removed from NCTIMES website at 10:00 am this morning.
The State, feds locals keep pissing on our Congressional documents that actually trump their juristication. What a fraudualent state. Sad our state is being exploited in this way. Their corruption will not go un-noticed and I suggest a document and sign war against them all. United we should all stand. We can do it.
championindian
Way to go Robert Macarro.
is the VIA complicitin the destruction of Indians by their ineffective handling of these terminations and theft?
Now I have heard that Leroy Miranda is behind this. He is on the cultural committee. He was arrested for pay for a prostitute. Being a representative of Pala some members wanted him of the committee. I guess the Freemans were one family we will find out who the other families are. Disenrollment to protect a pervert.
They did have 900 members so lets not call them greedy butt cracks and 8 people is not alot(also alot of tribes have a blood quantum). Do you need a tampon?
For every Native that says "well they weren't from here, thats all". It doesn't matter where your from or what you can prove these people are hiding behind sovereignty and disenrolling TRUE INDIANS. Talk about keeping tribe's pure, who's protecting REAL Natives, no one. Don't think it can't happen to you, mark my words as soon as the CPP is done with Macarro he will be disenrolled too.
who else is leaving pala--i heard some other names being tossed around.
I ask this out of pure curiosity: Did King Freeman preside over the disenrollment of other tribal members during his 19 year tenure? I'm assuming the casino was built while he was chairman. If so, it could just be karma.
That being said, I don't agree with Indian disenrollments - as you know, given my prior blog articles on this subject. To me, disenrollments are always viewed with skepticism as to whether the disenrolled were afforded proper due process rights.
Mr. Freeman's (and his family's) ouster is suspicious and I hope he gets the justice that he deserves.
Yes Robert smith and his brother Andrew are dirty dogs, they Both smoke meth and cover up many crimes
My tribe is still trying to allocate dollars for my families blood quantum! What's that tell you! We were not disenrolled but relcassified as non lineal.
OH you were not disenrolled you were (relcassified as non lineal.)
your not a member anymore right?
removed?
relcassified?
(taken off the fuckin rolls)?
What do you call that (rape)(with a pencil)?
We got one ABOVE DISENROLLMENT / I,m pala indian just not a member.
Well, Just like the old Saying “Money will destroy any culture”
WELL NOW, HOW COULD "BLOOD QUANTUM" AT UNREALISTIC LEVELS EVEN COUNT FOR ANYTHING? AS TIME GOES ON YOU MARRY INTO THE TRIBE AND HAVE CHILDREN, AND THEY HAVE CHILDREN, THE BLOOD QUANTUM SPLITS, AND THEN SPLITS AGAIN AND AGAIN. IF YOU HOLD BLOOD QUANTUM TO A LEVEL THAT CAN NO LONGER BE ATTAINED, YOU EVENTUALLY WILL WIPE OUT THE TRIBE. CAN'T THESE CORRUPT AND GREEDY TRIBAL COUNCILS SEE THIS SIMPLE FACT? DNA STILL SHOWS "LINEAGE!" LISTEN UP HERE: IF YOU TRY TO HOLD BLOOD QUANTUM AT 1/16 IN TIME IT WILL SPLIT TO 1/32. AND THEN ON AN ON. "GET REAL! THIS WILL ALWAYS BE THE FACT! SO, TELL ME, WHERE ARE THEY GOING WITH THIS?" OR IS THE AMOUNT OF GREED AND CORRUPTION THAT HAIN-US AND VAST THAT THE TRIBAL LEADERS WANT TO END THE ABILITY OF THE TRUE NATIVE AMERICAN FROM EVER TAKING THEIR RIGHTFULL PLACE WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE MEMBERSHIPS! BIRTHRIGHT IS "EVERYTHING!" BLOODLINES WILL ALWAYS DIMINISH WITH TIME, BUT DNA WILL ALWAYS BE PRESENT. THINK ABOUT IT! THERE IS NO WAY THAT HOLDING "BLOOD QUANTUM" AT A SPECIFIC LEVEL CAN EVEN BE "REALISTIC" AT BEST, AND TOTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE IN THE REAL WORLD! THE "CASINO INDIANS" VERSION OF "GENOCIDE" CAN''T SAY IT ANY PLAINER THEN THAT! SO AGAIN, WHERE ARE THEY GOING WITH THIS....WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT(INDIAN AFFAIRS) ON THIS ISSUE? "BLIND EYE."....AGAIN!
You keep asking others to determine membership? DREAM ON!
Don't you know anytihng about Indian law? Did you just crawl out of a hole? (weekend warriors)
WHO YOU KIDDING? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP "BLOOD QUANTUMS" .... EVEN.... BECAUSE CHILDREN ALWAYS SLIT THE PECENTAGE EVEN IF YOU BOTH HAVE THE SAME "BLOOD QUANTUM!" SO THINK AGAIN! BUT THE DNA IS ALWAYS THE PROOF, NO MATTER WHAT!
Maybe you guys can explain something to me that I have never understood.....how come at the Casinos they say they can't serve free booze because California wont allow it, yet they allow smoking and expose countless employees to 2nd hand smoke?...and why doesn't the State of California do anything about it?...thanks for a reply
The casinos make a profit on booze and giving away free booze would cut into that.
The tribes choose which laws to follow. They don't follow their own constitutions, so why should they follow CA law?
Cigarettes kill in the long term. Tribes don't want to be held responsible for getting people drunk for free. IF customers pay, it's THEIR responsibility. Bad publicity to have people dying.
Well when thousands of California employees and visitors to the Casino get lung cancer and have no insurance...the tax payers will end up paying for it!...which will be less money for Gamblers to gamble!!..
By that time, casinos will be mostly non=existent,
REGION: Tribe's vice chairman due in court for alleged probation violation
Leroy Miranda pleaded guilty to lewd conduct in 2009 incident
The vice chairman of the Pala Band of Mission Indians, which owns a large casino and resort in North County, is due in court next week for an alleged probation violation stemming from a lewd conduct conviction in Riverside County last year.
Pala Vice Chairman Leroy Miranda, 44, was cited on Nov. 6, 2009, by Moreno Valley police for allegedly soliciting a prostitute at the Happy Time Adult Book Store in Moreno Valley, according to court records. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lewd conduct in February 2010.
Under terms of the plea, Miranda agreed to pay a fine of $570, enroll in an AIDS education program, stay away from the Happy Time Adult Book Store and wear an electronic monitoring device, also known as an ankle bracelet.
Christopher Coburn, Miranda's attorney, declined to comment.
According to court records, Miranda violated one of the terms of his probation by failing to complete the electronic monitoring program. A court hearing is scheduled for Friday to address that violation.
Miranda was elected vice chairman of the 1,100-member tribe in 2001. He has been a leading voice for the tribe against the proposed Gregory Canyon landfill, a project to turn 1,770 acres of land adjoining the Pala Indian Reservation into a dump.
Miranda is also the director of the Cupa Cultural Center on the Pala Indian Reservation, which is about 15 miles north of Escondido and east of Interstate 15. The center is the cultural hub of the Pala reservation and houses a small collection of Indian artifacts, tools, vessels and old photographs.
On the tribe's website, Miranda is described as a graduate of Sherman Indian High School in Riverside. He lives on the reservation with his wife and family, according to the website.
Call staff writer Edward Sifuentes at 760-740-3511.
Correction: This article has been corrected to reflect that Pala Vice Chairman Leroy Miranda was due in court for an alleged probation violation, not a parole violation.
Could this be why dienrollment's have started. he does not want to step down when some tribal members wanted him to.
I am at a total loss as how I should reply to this. It saddens me and I feel so depressed about this news. I always looked to Pala as my brothers and sisters, and now the plague has struck not only my Tribe, but has spread to Pala. I looked to Pala as a shining light as to how a Tribe should treat its people, and now, I just don't know what to say.
I guess all I can say, is that Pechanga and Pala will always be in my heart, and I hope and pray that someday we can all come together and live in the joy and wonder that is both our heritage. Putting away this greed and avarice and walking in support of one another.
O.K, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING DOWN IN INDIAN COUNTRY! WHEN CORRUPTION AND GREED IS SO OUT OF CONTROL AND THE DECEITFUL TRIBAL LEADERS WATCH ILLEGAL DISENROLLMENTS AND BANISHMENTS OF, SAY THE "MACARRO CARTEL", SEEMINGLY GETTING AWAY WITH ILLEGAL GENOCIDE OF LEGITIMATE NATIVE AMERICANS, WITH NO APPARENT REPARCUSIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT(INDIAN AFFAIRS), WHO'S TO STOP THEM FROM JUMPING ON THE BAND WAGON? "NO ONE!" THEY MAKE IT UP AS THEY GO WITH JUSTICE AND FAIR PLAY BEING "NONEXISTENT!" THEY GET AWAY WITH IT, BECAUSE THEY "CAN!" WE HAVE WATCHED FOR DECADES, OR SHOULD I SAY SINCE THE ADVENT OF THE CASINO, THE DECIMATION OF INHERENT CONSTITUTIONS AND BY LAWS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT US ALL FROM THESE HAIN-US ACTS OF AGGRESSION FROM OUR OWN, "FROM WITHIN!" INDIAN COUNTRY IS "UNDER SIEGE" FROM THE VILE AND MALIGNATE CANCER INFESTATION OF CORRUPT AND POWER HUNGRY TRIBAL LEADERS, AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY "CAN!"
What constitutes a Pala Indian? Because Pala were originally Luiseno but in 1903 a group of local Indians known as Cupeno were kicked off of their land by Warner Springs, Ca and moved by the powers that be to Pala. For over 100 years the two groups, Luiseno and Cupeno, have lived as one tribe.
So are the Luiseno now saying that people with a blood quantium below a certain point of Pala Luiseno blood don't qualify for tribal membership or are the Cupeno saying that the blood quantium has to be Cupeno blood?
It would be ironic if the later was true because the Cupeno aren't even originally from Pala, it says so in a glass case at the main entrance to the Pala Casino, that the Cupeno lost their land at Warner Springs and were moved to Pala.
Ironic that none of these questions would have even been an issue if Pala didn't have a lucrative casino, sound familiar?
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT CUPENO IS ACTUALLY LUISENO? THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY A SPLINTER GROUP OF US? ONLY TO BE REMOVED FROM THEIR ORIGINAL REZ(WARNER SPRINGS)AS WE WERE FROM OURS WAY BACK WHEN? DIDN'T THE GOVERNMENT (INDIAN AFFAIRS) RECOGNIZE THEM AS A SOVERIGN NATION AND ABLE TO BUILD A CASINO. SO WHERE IS THIS ALL GOING? WHY WOULD PALA EVEN REALISTICALLY WANT TO "OPEN THIS CAN OF WORMS?" AND WHOSE BOODLINE DO THEY FOLLOW? THEY ARE "EITHER" ALL CUPENO OR LUISENO! WHICH IS IT? WHERE IS "THE LINE TO BE DRAWN?" THE SAD PART IS THAT THEY "MAKE THIS STUFF UP AS THE GO" FOR NOTHING MORE THEN: "GREED!" I WONDER WHAT THE GOVERNMENT(INDIAN AFFAIRS) HAS TO SAY ABOUT THIS "DEBACHERY?"
Smokeybear, Luiseno is not just Pechanga it can be from several local tribes such as Pechanga, Soboba, Rincon, La Jolla, Pauma, San Luis Rey (not federally recogized)and Pala.
Interesting that the Macarro line, at least through the male side, is from Pauma not Pechanga so if they are Pechanga they would have to claim their line through Juan Macarro's second wife who happened to be from the same clan as Paulina Hunter.
Like it or not, according to the John Johnson report, that would make Mark and John Macarro related to us Hunters.
Hmmmm, I have always wondered if Macarro sided against his own blood, the Hunters, because those who wanted the Hunters out knew this and told him, "your next if you don't get rid of the Hunters."
I thought that the Department of the Interior made a ruling on their (Freeman) ancestor back in 1989 and found her to be FULL BLOODED. The issue may be an internal tribal matter but knowledge is as fast as the speed of the internet (I found this information online and I'm not native at all that I know of...unless you count that story from some aunt somewhere that says "Oh yeah I think we're related to someone from back East in the 1700's"...). Does Pala have the authority to overrule the Department of the Interiors official finding? Is anyone else aware that the census reports they are probably using for ancestry information and enrollment were altered at some point? Altered in a way that probably wouldn't be obvious except the National Archives have made an online database and the reports are very easy to view online, in PDF format, with the power of the zoom tool where you can make it 150%+ bigger and see the erase marks and different handwriting and changed percentages. If anyone has any feedback on that I'd be interested to read it.
The Cahuilla Indians are NO different!! Indians are GREEDY!!! Remember, if the Indians can't respect their own families, what makes us think they will respect the WHITE MAN??? They make up rules as they go...Eventually, they will kill off their own heritage if there really is any!
There are well over 100 names on a list that Leroy Miranda has acquired and plans on taking actions against. The oustings are because of dwindling profit margins and personal grudges that were created when one family line began to cover up their own lack of "blood quantums" by altering and lowering the opposing side. It has been an ongoing issue for years and it is true that the Department of the Interior ruled against the altered documents and went with the official documentation found in D.C. in original format reflecting a higher quantum. After Miranda was arrested and charged for attempting to solicit a prostitute, many tribal members wished to have him removed from his position for violating the terms of his placement within the committee. People were threatened and thus they removed their names in fear of retalliation from their own government. In turn, they are now being punished one family at a time. There is no due process, no equal representation and absolutely no voice for those who receive notice they are to be disenrolled. They have 30 days to submit an appeal yet there's evidence that paperwork was "misplaced" after being submitted to the BIA. The tribal constitution for Pala reflects that chairman Smith and Miranda have violated at least three to four of the tribe's founding laws. By hiding behind their sovereignty and the guise that "it's a tribal matter," the tribe has committed a grave injustice to their own family. If anyone wishes to undo this crime and wipe the slate clean for future generations of Native American Indians, they should write letters to the Department of the Interiors Secretary Ken Salazar at:
Ken Salazar
Department of the Interior
1849 C Street, N.W.
Washington DC 20240
Phone: (202) 208-3100
E-Mail: feedback@ios.doi.gov
Or Governor Jerry Brown at:
Governor Jerry Brown
c/o State Capitol, Suite 1173
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 445-2841
Fax: (916) 558-3160
Thank you for your time in reading this and thank you for your support. With enough voices behind this issue, we shall be heard...
Here's the link to their attorney's appeal to the Department of the Interior...
http://turtletalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/ginahoward_rd-appeal-pala-disenrollment-6-27-11-final.pdf
Don't forget the link to the evidence that was submitted!
http://turtletalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/list-of-exhibits-6-28-11.pdf
Just wanted to add it here so no one can say they couldn't find it later on...
Everyone should have a chance to review it.
Leroy miranda has yaqui blood, his family included that with pala blood to raise their pala blood degree, everyone in pala knows this, Robert smiths grandpa was a full blooded German, everyone in pala knows this. So its funny to me how they can point fingers and judge. Hiding behind 'sovereignty' to administer TRIBAL CORRUPTION, they're showing the world that native americans may be too primitive to run a tribal government efficiently. Smith and Miranda are native american ABOMINATIONS!! mimicking columbus era genocide through paperwork to benefit their greedy pockets better and to smugly satisfy their disgusting personal hate and jealousy, sorry if the Freeman had everything first in the old days, but the freemans WORKED for what they had. This is the beggining of the end of tribal corruption, so congradulate yourselves to contributing your childish disgusting hateful jealous behavior in helping put an end to tribal tyranny. Pala is now known as one of the reservations examples of HOW NOT TO BE!
Yes everyone knows Leroy Miranda has Yaqui blood but it doesnt raise his Pala blood only total blood. Robert Smith's is a German descendent but he still has enough PALA BLOOD and then some to be enrolled. King was never enrolled when he was born. It was later when the tribe made changes to have him enrolled but it wasnt enough for King. The tampered documents were used well to get his kids enrolled which allowed over 100 other to get enrolled off that same family tree. Chairman Roberts Smith is not to blame. He has NO vote. King should know that because he was Chairman for 19 yrs. Melissa laughs says the Freemans worked for what they have. Well King worked those tampered papers when he was in office too and now its catching up to him. He's a sly demon that has his crime too. King didnt pay for a prositute but we know hes had a share of married women. He needs to man up to what he's done. He believes his own lies. Since his kids and the other 2 have gotten disenrolled King said, "what about the other ones". The family backing King up is the family King is trying to bring down. Now that it is happening what lies are to come. Willie Pink is also backed up in his corner. Pala is a beautiful place and Robert is a wonderful Chairman. Just dont eat at the Pala store. PALA BLOOD is what it takes to be a member.
Unknown, you sound like one of the ignorant bafoons of pala talking nonsense with NO factual evidence to back your sorry words, this is EXACTLY the type of childish ignorant gossip that spreads past the point of absurdity. Hello? King fixed documents you say? How could that be when he wasnt even born around 1913 when the original blood quantum was marked? THAT is factual, king has the documents on Leroy that PROVE HE WAS THE ONE WHO FIXED HIS FAMILIES DOCUMENTS! HAHAHA! The Freemans DO have the blood quantum, they had absolutely NO idea someone had changed their documents until YEARS later, and upon knowledge of this produced the evidence at a meeting, the tribe accepted this to be true, voted to have the documents to be changed back to the original and there you have it! By the way, after the vote to fix the the change back to the original, it took another several amount of years before it could pass approval, it wasnt like king just got the families papers obe day and like magic POOF! It was changed. Grow up past the spiteful idiotic family fued, you'll find life is much happier over on our side. Not misery in life of plotfull greed and misery.
Another example of unknowns simpleton mind frame, is the comparison between a "fair share" of married women to ones "ILLEGALLY" paying for a prostitute! I agree, pala is a beautiful reservation in itself, but the disgusting behavior in some particular residents such as yourself make it ugly. Tge eating at the pala store remark I will leave alone, its too stupid of a remark I feel I may be wasting my time on a child.
Haha...you sound like one of the believers still hoping. The only Freeman being talked about is King. If he has the proof than good for him. Its just ashame what he's been doing bringing down the whole flock because his kids are out. "ITS KING FREEMAN'S FAULT". He created his own greed and misery. He kicked all those people to the curb. There's no family fued here. Wow you must be talking about another family. Life doesnt seem to he happier on your side. As far as 1913 goes..you dont even know the correct year. You know it all. Say what you want but you've been told only what you need to hear and thats not the full truth. On sense wasting time on you.
oh all of a sudden your trying to educate someone 'unknown'? "rob smith is a wonderful blah blah.." Please, figuring ways to put more money in your hell bound greedy hands doesnt constitute wonderful, again their family has official papaerwork honey, paperwork. What does your gossiping fat hands have? Honestly, i've heard from other families and for some reason its NEVER the exact same! So please, your just like them with stories of 'hope' it may be true to benefit you! Fued, yes, families fight amongst each other constantly, and I see sadly lazy folk getting free money always looking bitter, so sad, travel, get out more, lifes bigger than scrawny pala. Leroy committed a crime, king brought it up, smells like a power trip accompanied with corruption. Your ignoring the truth of that matter because you so desperatly want the gossip accusations to be true. But that only proves my point of your ignorance. Hahaha, silly fool.
so you see everybody, unknowns words of un-wisdom is clearly a key example of how to tear apart a reservation, no papers on blood, going by heresay one after another until its so overwhelming that you will believe any next thing tossed your way, the tribe may win against king, but it'll only be through powers of corruption, your part in this will only hurt your people in the long run, remember, after the 20 year agreement with the state is up indian gaming will go back into voting in california, but with all the negativity these actions bring.. and all the attention the media puts out, will diminish your chances of passing california voters' approval. WISE UP! Then think again before opening your gap..
the yaqui blood flowing through leroys veins is being used to increase his Pala blood.There is an order from the BIA in 1981 to decrease his families Pala blood.Look it up,it's out there!Your lies,lies,lies will catch up to you soon!
And another thing, dont be trying to throw blame on king that it was he who had the the other families looked into, since immediatley upon the dis enrollment of the 8, you beloved vice chairman leroy miranda was boasted how it was HE who got them dis enrolled and how HE was goung to get another 200 out! All this while waving his beer in the air at the bar in casino pauma!
From what I understand leroys yaqui blood has'nt been corrected yet!The tribe never acted on the info from the BIA.The great historian leroy is lying to everyone!But that seems to be par for the course these days out in Pala.Use lies to cover up more lies.It will catch up to them one of these days.That's just how it goes.
Wow... Hahaha!
Also unknown, yes, the year was 1913. But thats the original documented proof your 'dictators' are unwilling to accept, they would rather go by the later years when the blood quantum was changed without their knowledge because its dis-honorably more beneficial to them. Not the truth.
Way to set that brainless puppet straight milissa
laughing...its true, I have seen the 1981 B.IA. directive to the pala tribe. It states leroys great grandmother and her son can not use blood from outside the united states (yaqui, mexico) as a blood guantum within the borders of the US...... I hope unknown knows fractions, because here it is...leroys great grandmother, 3/4 cupa,married non indian, leroys grandfather, 3/8 cupa, married non pala, leroys mother, 3/16 cupa, married non pala,LEROY? A whopping 3/32 cupa, married non pala, leroys kids?, a measley 3/64,cupa and should not be enrolled, BUT THEY ARE! Makes you wonder what LEROY MIRANDA has over WONDERFUL chairman ROBERT SMITH for him to allow leroys kids to steal real pala memders money?????
hmmm. seems they drew the white flag! Anyways, I'm tired of typing and prefer here on out face to face debates, so any more opposing me, i'd love for you to instead approach me in person. Thank you.
Face to face debate is my preference! Oh and this NATIVE FLAG is still down. WHITE FLAG? I think everyone should know who they are before giving opinions.
Who ever is reading this Melissa laughs opinion, watch out she be goofy ,loco, she makes no sense! Melissa laughs do you really know who YOU are? Where YOU originate from? Who YOUR real grandfather is? Let me tell you what I know?
LMFAO! Like i said i would prefer you approach me face to face but this was just too delicious for me not to take a bite into. You just incriminated yourself by proving my point of your ignorance anonymous! How does the fact that my REAL GRANDFATHER LAFAYETTE DAVIS OF THE HOOPA INDIAN RESERVATION make me "be goofy,loco, makes no sense"... hmmm? I about died laughing when i saw your last statement "let me tell you what i know" lol!lol!lol! anyways, i'm very happy and content with my family background so your comment was pointless and idiotic. the more you open your mouth the more you help me show people the ugliness that a lot of good residents in pala so sadly have to endure from you and others like you. so you say you would also prefer face to face debates, too bad you didnt approach me with that stupid statement because i would have loved to have seen that dumb look on your face when i made you choke on your words just now. how ugly.. "do YOU know your real grandfather.." etc. etc. like that matters in this case, your statement would be a little more in touch with reality had this columns title read.. "lets tell melissa what i think she dont know but OOPS! i instead made myself look like a complete jackass!".. HAHAHA!!! oh and nice job to whoever it was who tried to block me so i couldnt respond to this making it appear as though you put me in my place! haha! But fortunately for me my I.Q. isnt as low as yours and i can simply log into this site through another account! LMFAO!!!!! and now you know why i go by the name "Melissas laughing!!" I'll be waiting, after all, i put my name in for a reason, im not trying to hide who i am now am I? "anonymous"..
My point exactly! Where are you from? NOT PALA so bud out and never mind what PALA is about! It's not about you! Go back to Hoopa! Do your own fractions! Just saying!!! Hehehehe
If thats the case then some one needs to tell cindy leal to "bud out".Shes not from Pala!Those who are around from that time know what I'm talking about.hehehehe
Time to put you in check BAFOON.. as soon as this story hit the news and was blasted on the net!!.. IT BECAME OPEN TO THE PUBLIC!!! ANY ONE CAN COMMENT ON IT NOW NEANDERTHAL!!!! HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!! suppose you will try to blame king on that one too but when the real person contacted the media king got a hold of them and gave his side! "do your fractions" PFT... and the point of that was? did you think it was i who broke the fractions down on one of the previous paragraphs? read it again you ignorant tool! oh and go back to hoopa?? nah, I have something called "free will" ever hear of it? probably not considering the other idiotic gibberish coming out of your obvious spiteful conniving malicious ignorant childish good for nothing mouth! free will my dear, means i have MY OWN CHOICE to go where ever i damn well please, so tell someone else where to go seeing as how i could care less where you want me to be. i would much rather prefer to stick around for you. so excuse you if you cant handle the truth pinhead!! like i said before, we can discuss this in person "hehehehe"
So you see again everybody, this is the type of ignorant behavior we have to put up with. yes i am guilty of cruel words my self, but they are not out of spite like theirs, it is solely to prove the ugliness and hate they have, words with no proof, just gossip and hate. the phrase go back to hoopa is a clear example of the prejudice attitudes, that phrase can be compared to rasicts' words of "go back to africa" or "europe" or what ever the case of the prejudice be. i hope this helped you see through them.
GO BACK TO HOOPA and take care of your own business!
You sound very educated and you could probably contribute to the Hoopa tribe instead of worrying about the Pala tribal business which does nothing for you!
Well thank you for your complenent, honestly. For your information I am enrolled in santa ysabel, I have ute paiute and shoshone blood from utah, I have blood from rincon pauma and mesa grande. So it seems I could help contribute to a lot of places beyond hoopa. Everyone, including myself, who is willing to fight for a just cause, has the right to do so, regardless of where the blood pumping through their veins comes from. Key example: when the tribes in california (including pala) were fighting against several groups who were opposed to indian gaming, it was the majority of voters who helped you win what you have today, and it is clearly evident that the vast majority who advocated on your behalf were not affiliated with any of the tribes through blood. As I stated before, this is no longer a private tribal matter. Dont get me wrong, I know where there is a place I cant speak my mind, tribal meetings, but that doesnt phase me none the one as I have absolutely no desire to do so anyways. This is a site open to comments, it is a part of this countries constitutional right of freedom of speech. Until the united states of america changes that right, I will continue speak about any topic I please.
Thank you, but this is no a longer private issue due to media coverage to the public. For your prejudice information I also have blood from santa ysabel (enrolled) mesa grande rincon pauma as well as ute paiute and shoshone from utah, so it seems I can contribute to many, but this is a public site and I have my constitutional right to freedom of speech, no matter what blood flows through your veins anyone willing to fight for a just cause should do so. Example: when tribes fought for indian gaming, CA voters supported your effort to help you win. Can we be safe to assume the majority of voters had no tribal blood? Without a doubt! So with that being said, you are once again showing a negative part of you that implies 'if it doesnt benefit us CA, stay away, but we'll call you when you can help us' Too bad for the good people of pala to wrongfully have this negative reflection cast out into societies knowledge. Funny you say go back to hoopa, like hoopa would be a step down, lol.. Ignorance.
Check out The North County Times story about letters going out to prove people belong to tribe.Its an excellent venue to speak the truth.
i just read the article, thank you for that information. i'd like to point out that the article does give two different versions of the questionable motives as to why this is occurring. it also gives customers of the north county times an interesting topic to discuss, such as i. the most interesting of all, is the fact that this hadn't occurred until the vice chairmans role with the council was in jeopardy. Again, very interesting article. Thank you.
North County Times story far from the truth. How can those people keep making up stories like that? Man some people just don't know!
Far more is known than you think!
Wow for once I agree, how could they make up stories like that?! Lol... Sounds eerily familiar!...
that was sarcasm by the way to the clueless. Oh, and on a different note, i erased my one misunderstanding to you my friend, your second posting clarified it was not in regards to me.. :) (hugs to you!)
Hey Know it all. Since you are so smart answer this, why wasn't King Freemans kids enrolled upon birth? And he was chairman for all those years why didn't he enroll them then if the blood was there? And that goes the same for all the rest of the people who are claiming they have the blood? Why didn't they get enrolled at birth? Melissa's laughing , can you answer those questions correctly with some fact to back up your answers?
Hey well I guess you have to look it up in the book of King? That guy should write a book on how to snow the people!
The whole history about this matter are in the BIA documents,including the true story of how their bloodline was changed on tribal documents.It wasn't until Vivian Banks(God Bless her Soul) spearheaded an effort to have the bloodline corrected,the original 1913 allotment roll housed back in Washington D.C. was looked at and it showed that Margarita Brittian is 4/4 cupeno.If you need to see the documents contact King and I'm sure he would be happy to show them to you,or provide you with copies.King wasn't even at tribal meeting when this was voted on in favor to correct bloodline(he was chairman at the time,on call to work that night with sdge, chairmen didnt get paid back then,and got called to work)Lee Ann Hayes who was vice chairman at the time ran the meeting.Someone is not being truthful with you on this matter and its not the descendants of Margarita Brittian.
The truth is that Pala politics relies heavily upon the usage of propaganda, and Robert Smith has been extremely successful at using this method to misinform and control the masses. In fact, he is actively using these techniques now, spreading his lies and his mistruths, telling people that King wants to disenroll the rest of the family. Smith and his gang of bullies are telling tribal members that King is the one who wants even other families disenrolled, when the truth is that the only people who have the power to engage a disenrollment are the Executive/Enrollment Committee. Once you know their methods, it's easy to spot.
The truth is if these anonymous misinformed individuals took the time to not only read, but comprehend, the constitution, they would see that the constitutions states in Article II, Section 1, Subsection A, that:
"The membership shall consist of: (A) Those persons whose names appear on the Pala Allotment Rolls as approved by the Secretary of the Interior on April 12, 1895, and November 3, 1913, who were living on the date of approval of the Pala Band's original Articles of Association by the Commission of Indian Affairs."
Once again, this is stated in the constitution. On that November 3, 1913 Allotment Roll, Margarita Brittain is listed as a 4/4 Degree Indian Blood. You cannot change this fact. The other roll from 1895 refers to “old Pala” and does not apply to her or anyone who originated from Kupa.
Robert Smith’s Executive/Enrollment Committee is completely ignoring the Constitution, which is mind-boggling. I really think these elected officials have never even read the Constitution, because they certainly don’t understand who the membership shall consist of and they certainly do not follow the Constitution! It’s really very simple.
If the tribe wants to change their membership requirements, then they will have to change their Constitution. If they want to use the 1928 Indian Judgment Rolls, then they will have to have the ENTIRE band vote in a GENERAL ELECTION to approve this change. Unfortunately, this will pretty much wipe out half of the tribe’s membership, but oh, well, I guess they can blame it all on King. King made them do it!
That was beautiful!! I woke up to this and smiled!!.. Now to the others.. I "KNOW" more than you realize! I dont have pala blood, being that Robert (respectively eternally resting) was my adoptive grandfather, but that doesnt mean i'm oblivious to the matter, unbeknownst to you I have access to his documents from the b.i.a. that states "it has been proven" PROVEN that the family does in fact have the blood quantum your hateful mouths are trying to so hard to deny. It took years for the mistake to be corrected, and thats why the kids had to wait to be enrolled, dumbass, for you to assume I have no knowledge simply based on my having no pala blood is absurd, I have not only the information passed down to me from my "adoptive" elders, but the proven documentation to confirm their words. It was not a quick simple act. I really dont understand why you have to be so ugly, hateful and ignorant about it.
Thanks for information, but hey Melissa I thought you would answer the questions? What happend? Are you gonna say I didn't check the blog in time? Either way it goes I really don't think you know facts just stuff you where told or maybe even overheard! I wish I could of seen your ugly face answer that in person! Since you know it all!
And why was that the only bloodline changed? Why was it messed up to where it had to be changed? Or was it because there was no dad mentioned in any of the documents? Or was it because someone stated on paper Margarita Brittan was half white? I'm confused? Maybe that's what people want us to be confused???
Maybe your confusion is caused by drugs or you yaqui inbreeding!Once again,1913 allotment roll,constitution.
Yaki inbreeding? Whats that have to do with the question , why was that bloodline messed up from the jump? Geez can you explain why this is still an issue after 100 years and what about all those old people who till they died said she was half white don't you think they knew that ? They where around back then in the early 1900's? Weren't they?
And how do you know Yakis inbreed are you a federally recognize Yaki?
Sounds to me like you've got a lot of hearsay and no documents.Show me documents,I'll show you documents,credible documents.
In evidence submitted as part of the appeal papers show that there was sworn testimony (regarding the estate of Merced Nolasquez) from July 22, 1921 from Carolina Nolasquez, then confirmed later by Salvador, that they stated Margarita Brittain is Merced Nolasquez half sister and that they share the same father. Was Pelegrino (Saubel) Ortega the father of both Maragrita Brittain and Mecered Nolasquez or not? Is the tribe contesting the decision by saying that he's the father but not "Pala" blood or that Pelegrino was not the father? And if Pelegrino was not the father of both, then what reason would Carolina and Salvador have to lie about it after being sworn to tell the truth during that inquiry?
I don't have documents that is why I'm asking why did the bloodline have to be corrected? What happened to it?
You can read documents here.
http://turtletalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/list-of-exhibits-6-28-11.pdf
The Department of the Interior says in the documents (above link) that someone had made pen or ink corrections on paperwork but did not indicate why the corrections were made. Then the Department of the Interior compared information to what was being held in Washington DC, and it was their conclusion that Margarita Brittain was full blooded based on all the evidence they (The Department of the Interior, Washington DC) had.
Your just throwing that statement "are you gonna say i didnt check the blog in time" to try and save your ugly face for being stood corrected!! im not as stupid as you are! and that pathetic attempt was futile. reality is my dear, why would i have to answer something that was explained to you 3 times!! i give no care to your infantile remarks coming out of your despicable face. i am now at the point of feeling sorry for you! if it was already a big to do with the tribe to prove it and it was, back then everyone had their vote in, not just their family, and another thing hypocrite!!.. how could you tell anyone "sounds like you overheard.." when obviously you "overheard" your damn self?!! only difference is.. "overhearing" gets OVERRULED by documents!! and man like i said before, i wish you would have approached me, since i most definately would've loved to have seen your loud mouthed toothless fat dried up ape face!!
Sorry, I think I asked the questions too soon after the other Anonymous said something. I know there are at least two of us here from different perspectives. I was just seeking clarification to something that confused me. No wonder it was a big to do back then, it is very confusing.
Well I'm trying to understand this issue to the fullest before I judge anyone. As for Melissa like I said before IT'S NOT YOUR FIGHT DUMMY!!! What you say really does not count so if I where you I would sign out this blog. Worry about your ugly attitude that gets you no where! Worry about your favorite day of the year on Monday your dressed for it everyday! Just saying...
Oh I understand you now!! Your young!! You gave it away with your "just saying", it also explains your ignorance along with the idiocy of believing that your supposed hallowen 'put down' was an actual legitimate offense but in reality it made think.. Uh ok, that was stupid. As far as having an ugly attitude goes, it became clear to me that I had no other choice but to stoop to their same level of immaturity. Lastly, no one can tell me it's not my fight, DUMMY!! Being on how its not yours either, get it? Its the chairman/vice chaiman and the descendants of ms margarita, but if others feel to have a say in the matter than im not holding back either. Now you know my side.
¯\(°_o)/¯ I give up. Next time I have a bunch of questions that confuse me I'll have to post them but not Anonymous..ly.
Lol.. I like your picture. But moving on, questions were answered on the above said, more clearly so by the ones who were there who tried to explain and even broke it down step by step, the only questions that weren't, were the ones based solely off aspersions. Its not my fight, I agree, although, I refuse to sit back and continue to watch the attackers spread their hate and sadly pass it down to their children. The hate needs to stop, no good comes from it. It was once asked, "if you are the last of your breed, do you kill your enemy? Or help them?"..
I don't think it's hate I just think it is people educating their kids on the history. You have to tell your kids what they need to stand up for if they are enrolled members of any tribe. Melissa you got it twisted! Why are you even commenting on things you can't change even if you have adopted grandfathers documents? I just think if Margarita Britians kids say that their mother was half white they claimed white also. Why would kids say that unless the mother told them the history. Who knows what had happened back in the day. The only way to know the truth is if you had talked to the people who knew her and knew her kids and seen the pictures of her? One lady had a picture and her face structure was not one of a full Indian women. You can tell when people get mixed. The picture was on a shirt and the lady wearing it was at a public store. So maybe DNA would solve this issue if the offsprings can't.
I had stated previously about standing up to fight so you dont gave to think your telling me something new, if you want to go there and desecrate as far as dna goes then it should go for EVERYBODY since you know their family isnt the only one in question, I havent seen this picture so im not going to be an ignorant person, but I would like to since "how do we know its true and its her". Did I say anything about "changing" anything.. Nope. As far as hate, you may not be teaching yours but when I was growing up I was told a lot of ugly hateful things, things that an adolescent wouldn't know unless they were learning it from their parents.
DNA is simple now a days, and yes that does go for everyone, it would be smart for all indian Tribes to take advantage of DNA. They should DNA all newly enrolled tribal members just to be safe and avoid this kind of situation in the future. That's the solution to the dis enrollment problem. What do you think?
Read the constitution,when your done reading it,read it again,then again.If you still don't understand it hire an attorney who specializes in native law,have them explain it to you.Look at the 1913 allotment roll,see the names?look at the BIA documents see them,look and see that this was already voted on,it's Res Judicata.If that still isn't enough then then all this talk on your end is insanity! Alcohol & Drugs can ruin ones mind!
Ya but DNA proof will sew everything up. Maybe updates are needed this is the new millennium. Everything should be updated anyways. Is the 1913 allotment rolls open to the public to read? And drugs and alcohol? What's that have to do with anything is that what happen back in the day when they don't know who the dad was. Dad unknown, how? What took place? Drugs and alcohol. hemmmm!?!?
?? Ok.. :-\. Disrespecting ancestral natives who lived through a difficult transitional period should not be acceptable.
Once again look at the constitution,look at the BIA documents.YOU shall find answers!
Disrespecting ancestral natives? How is that ? Oh Melissa eat u medicine. You call it on yourself! Keep calling! There are many many questions to be answered,that's just all there is to it.
Look to the constitution,Look to the BIA documents,Many Questions shall be ANSWERED!
Where do you get those documents?
If it's the documents you seek,many links are mentioned in above comments.Read the documents,but that's only part of it.You must also seek The Articles of Association/Constitution of the Pala Band.In these you shall find the path that those in office must follow,stray from this path and many problems will follow for all.Times are changing in Indian Country and it's getting harder to commit crimes against your own people and hide behind Sovereign immunity.
Educating children with Lies leads to more Lies.Look to the constitution Educate your Children on the constitution,Educate yourself on the constitution,Educate yourself on the 1913 allotment roll,the base roll of the tribe.Educate Truth! Not Hearsay!
This is addressed to the question to me about the native disrespect, "so is that what happened back then? Drugs and alchohol?..." Yes, its disrespectful. Eat u medicine..dumb. I call it on myself.. I dont give damn, if I did I wouldnt say anything, i dont refrain from anyone which would include you.
Melissa you are just mad because your worthless opinions don't count. Get real.
If they dont 'count' then why respond? Haha.. And whos mad? Not me.. Just because you say it dont mean a thing! Im sayin whats on my mind no matter if they 'count' or not!:D seems your more rattled than I am seeing as how I expected this type of reaction! Ha.. Im not hiding who I am because theres nothing for me to hide! 'anonymous' lol... you mad? Too bad so sad, 'anonymous'...
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Phyco Melissa! It's kinda amusing how you love abuse, so there is nothing more to explain to you so log out! You for sure can't explain history. You are lucky people around PALA let you grow up with them!!!
No dear, im lucky to have my family. And you ignorant people can continue to tell me to stay off here till your black and blue in the face! If you havent figured it out by now let me spell it out for you.. I d o n t g I v e a d a m n!! And im putting letters on the windsheilds of cars to come on this site, I also sent an email to one of the newspapers to come on here too, just because I was told I had no say simply because im not enrolled, Im sure the outside community would love to know what they would be told if they speak, people, especially adults, dont like to be told they have no right to do so, violating their constitutional rights! :)
You can put notes letters whatever so they can come on this site if you want. That just goes to show how ignorant you are. Tribal business is tribal business. It is called a RESERVATION, of course you wouldn't know what that means because you are not even probably enrolled anywhere. If you were enrolled Anywhere you would know how not to air private tribal buiness! That's respect to ones tribe! Its called Commitment !!! I think your jealous! You know nothing about being NATIVE!!!
How many times must you be told THIS ISNT A PRIVATE TRIBAL SITE! MORONS! THIS IS THE INTERNET! LOL.. And you dare bring up respect after I had to tell one of you not to disrespect ancestral natives by accusing them of possibly being on drugs and alchohol!! You cry babies hide so much behind your "sovereignty" you cant stand it when someone speaks out against you! and you try to prohibit those from the outside from seeing the REAL IGNORANCE IN YOUR ACTIONS! I am enrolled in a tribe thank you. I mentioned that once too but you ignorants have a hard time comprehending! jealous of what by the way? please, there is nothing so magnificent around here for me to be jealous of.. But thats how unfortunatley arrogant you are and thats what alot of other members of other tribes make fun of you for! Yet again moron I must remind you.. THIS IS NO LONGER A PRIVATE TRIBAL MATTER SINCE ITS ON THE INTERNET AND HAS HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEDIA COVERAGE ON THE MATTER! It appears as though i've been consistently reminding you of that but your narrow minded ignorance blocks any sensible FACTS! If you look up the media coverages opinion blogs you will see our surrounding communities have already been making comments, but I highly doubt you will have the nerve to go on there to speak against them, they are after all, your bread and butter!!
Usually when people want to keep things private(out of news papers,off blogs),they usually have something to hide.Oh that's right,there are some people in office with a lot to hide!
TRIBAL BUSINESS IS TRIBAL BUSINESS !!! That's all there is to it ain't nobody's business. If it was maybe Indians would have all been terminated back in the old days and not shoved in the corners and valleys and cracks and crevices and left alone to rott!!! Giving us government food to survive on so everyone could get diabetes and die off!!! What are you people thinking ? Just because indians found a way to support their enrolled people so they could at least have a little better life your pissed off!!! You people have to cry around to the media to make Native American Indians look bad because you don't get your way. Nobody cares what Indian people do to each other that's what they want them to do! Don't you see that . If you think media will help you you are wrong! You are just making Indians look bad, how the public wants them to look! STUPID people like you just don't understand. Wake up! And Melissa my bread and butter is not the public, please, it's called hard working hands that my creator blessed me with!!! Get it rite, oh ya you can't !!!
When a Tribe becomes a self terminating tribe killing off it's own,It's News! Don't need the Government to do it when you do it to yourself! When Tribes don't follow the strict guidelines in the constitution that the Elders put in place to protect all of its Members,IT'S NEWS!!! So quit your self centered ways and Learn the CONSTITUTION! LEARN THE 1913 ALLOTMENT ROLL!
Thank you first anonymous,you got it right, second anonymous- nice try at trying to prove something, but unfortunately it isn't media coverage making you look bad, it's your own members' actions that do it. Hard work huh? well i could have something to say about that but since your "anonymous" i really cant assume that your one of the many previous TANF or wellfare collectors! Not much of a difference for some, free money is free money. i work too my dear, so you have nothing over me at this point, "tribal business is tribal business"?... Right, only when it is too your benefit! Any other time your running around crying to the public for assistance (gregory canyon landfill)And the native americans weren't terminated because the government chose to do so, it had nothing to do with "tribal business". it's a joke to say that "I" am making "indians" look bad, HA! You've done this to yourselves. i'm not the one who for whatever reason after ALL THESE YEARS have suddenly decided to oust members, even though if it was an issue before there were casinos than why not take care of it then, (that is a topic the public is talking about by the way).. and I AM NOT THE ONE WHO INITIALLY INFORMED THE MEDIA!! Go ahead though, blame me, you have to blame someone other than yourselves right? and who in the hell ever said i was pissed off that native americans "found a way to support their enrolled people so they could at least have a better life"?! It's more so that it's completely disgusting to many others including myself what money can do to people! a fact an example of what i say, i so would love to share, i spoke to one of your members who is not supporting either side, "they" have told me that their family was discussing this and a few of them brought this question up.."hey, do you know if this happens.. our per capita will go up?..." the person i spoke to told me after hearing that "they" had told them, "you know what, that isn't even cool, that's just messed up to even think about".. now tell me, can you honestly say that YOU haven't thought about getting "more" money? it's not jealousy or hate my dear, it's disgust of greed. Don't say it's about what's right, because, before casino's, problems like this were brushed off, ignored, and a big oh well. And do you really think americans don't care what reservation life is like, if you look up youtube videos of natives, the remarks being said about us are far more harsh, racist, hateful and vile! Far more than you probably even realize! this blog site is peanuts to what americans (and other cultures from around the world)say and think about us, my point of getting people on here was not to prove what they don't already know, but to see that TRIBAL CORRUPTION is a HUGE problem that's going on, and for them to think strongly about what they are voting on in the future when it comes to tribal matters in the state of California, when they see so much ignorance of child like thinking on reservations, it will help them decide, "hmm.. can they handle that?.." Get it 'right'! because honey, i most certainly can! PFT.. and you dare have your nerve talking about ones crying around because they don't get their way... hypocrite.
wow this is sad, i wish we could just get to the bottom of all this he said she said and all the bickering my Lord it has gotten way out of hand, bottom line is you can best believe the GOVERNMENT is gonna get to the bottom of all of this...bloodlines, mis use of funds and inappropriate distribution of funds...no ONE PERSON is to blame for opening this "barrel of worms" now that we have gotten the government involved u can best believe heads are gonna roll so let's just pray when this is all said and done ,lets pray we even have a casino to call ours to operate, and a tribal council we can trust and believe unlike the one we have now that we have allowed to destroy us....I WILL PRAY FOR ALL OF US NATIVES
This all starts with the Executive/enrollment committee.They are the ones who set this wheel in motion.If there were no disenrollments all this bad press is not happening.the executive/enrollment committee are the ones who can make this wrong a right by reversing their decision.
@sad native brittian descendant. You seem very kind hearted, I'd like to take this moment to apologize to you for any of my negative remarks that may have offended you. It was not my intention to do so. Thank you for your kind and yet truthful words. I'd also like to acknowledge you for your positive outlook and prayers against all odds. I wish the best for you and also your family. :)
Ms.Melissa you got some nerve to talk your crap like your all that, heck u were brought up in the welfare assistance program, your parents were both drunks sloppy messy with themselves! Are you sure DOUG is your dad ? Because you are a hot mess, take your disgusting self back to where ever you from cause it sure is not PALA! WINCH!!!
And u need to take a look at those pretty holed up shredded curtains u have and your yard is mess like u and fix your windows u not so perfect after all cause u white don't make u right Melissa
Do you really want me to put out on blast all the names of your drugged up people! Oh and another ignorant assumption I grew up a wellfare case! Wrong again and again hippo! You can buy all the materialistic fancy curtains in the world if you want to but its only shallow to think a simple curtain 'put down' makes you the better person. What a joke. Your failed attempt of trying to belittle my parents didn't get me angry as you were probably hoping it would, I've been waiting for it as I know exactly the type of people I'm dealing with. Checkmate! I am far to evolved for your primitive thinking. I'll bet you were hoping to drive me mad with anger and go crazy because your hiding behind "anonymous" while saying these things. You should save your sorry attempt for another who might actually fall for it next time!
And your Pala blood doesn't make you less trashy than ones yard. Skin color remarks, oh my! I'm soo offended! LOL..
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SOME1 ON HERE TALKS ALOT OF CRAP. THEY SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THERE OWN REZ AND NOT PALA'S. SHE I MEAN THEY ACT LIKE THEY A PALA MEMBER BUT REALLY THERE NOTHING AROUND HERE. ALSO THIS TALK W/ THE DIS ENROLLMENTS DUMB ASS SHOULD LOOK AT THE REAL DOC'S THAT SAY SOME1 MESSED W/ MARGARITA BRITTAINS BLOOD LINE DOC'S SOME1 EARSED HER REAL BLOOD & PUT 4/4. SO NOW YEARS LATER THE TRUTH COMES OUT, NOTHING BUT FUCKN WHITE PPL STEALING FRM THE INDIANS AGAIN! HOW ABOUT THEY PAY BACK ALL THE FUCKN MONEY THEY STOLED. AND GIVE UP THERE HOMES THAT TRULY BELONG TO THE REAL INDIANS THAT NEED A HOME. THIS MAKES ME SO MAD THAT PPL CAN JUST LIE AND PASS IT ON TO THEIR KIDS KNOWING 1 DAY THE TRUTH WOULD COME OUT. AND NOW THEY WANNA CRY. SHIT THEY KNEW FROM THE GATE THEY WERENT TRUE NATIVES. NOT EVEN A 1/16 DROP CUPA. AND THATS THE TRUTH PERIOD.
SOME1 ON HERE TALKS ALOT OF CRAP. THEY SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THERE OWN REZ AND NOT PALA'S. SHE I MEAN THEY ACT LIKE THEY A PALA MEMBER BUT REALLY THERE NOTHING AROUND HERE. ALSO THIS TALK W/ THE DIS ENROLLMENTS DUMB ASS SHOULD LOOK AT THE REAL DOC'S THAT SAY SOME1 MESSED W/ MARGARITA BRITTAINS BLOOD LINE DOC'S SOME1 EARSED HER REAL BLOOD & PUT 4/4. SO NOW YEARS LATER THE TRUTH COMES OUT, NOTHING BUT FUCKN WHITE PPL STEALING FRM THE INDIANS AGAIN! HOW ABOUT THEY PAY BACK ALL THE FUCKN MONEY THEY STOLED. AND GIVE UP THERE HOMES THAT TRULY BELONG TO THE REAL INDIANS THAT NEED A HOME. THIS MAKES ME SO MAD THAT PPL CAN JUST LIE AND PASS IT ON TO THEIR KIDS KNOWING 1 DAY THE TRUTH WOULD COME OUT. & NOW THEY WANNA CRY. SHIT THEY KNEW FROM THE GATE THEY WERENT TRUE NATIVES. NOT EVEN A 1/16 DROP CUPA. AND THATS THE TRUTH PERIOD.
SOME1 ON HERE TALKS ALOT OF CRAP. THEY SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THERE OWN REZ AND NOT PALA'S. SHE I MEAN THEY ACT LIKE THEY A PALA MEMBER BUT REALLY THERE NOTHING AROUND HERE. ALSO THIS TALK W/ THE DIS ENROLLMENTS DUMB ASS SHOULD LOOK AT THE REAL DOC'S THAT SAY SOME1 MESSED W/ MARGARITA BRITTAINS BLOOD LINE DOC'S SOME1 EARSED HER REAL BLOOD & PUT 4/4. SO NOW YEARS LATER THE TRUTH COMES OUT, NOTHING BUT FUCKN WHITE PPL STEALING FRM THE INDIANS AGAIN! HOW ABOUT THEY PAY BACK ALL THE FUCKN MONEY THEY STOLED. AND GIVE UP THERE HOMES THAT TRULY BELONG TO THE REAL INDIANS THAT NEED A HOME. THIS MAKES ME SO MAD THAT PPL CAN JUST LIE AND PASS IT ON TO THEIR KIDS KNOWING 1 DAY THE TRUTH WOULD COME OUT. & NOW THEY WANNA CRY. SHIT THEY KNEW FROM THE GATE THEY WERENT TRUE NATIVES. NOT EVEN A 1/16 DROP CUPA. AND THATS THE TRUTH PERIOD.
People to need to check the constitution,people need to check the 1913 allotment roll(the base roll of the tribe)Margarita is listed as 4/4 cupa.people need to see all the Bia documents.Some people talk a lot of crap with no proof to back it.Got proof lets see it!
I love that you hate me speaking out, it must suck for you that your not as immune as your sovereign ass thinks beyond your united states issued reservation border lines, that you really can't prevent it from happening, you've unfortunately been spoiled ignorant. Also, the ignorant argument of that continuous statement of, "your not pala.." can be interpreted as this: "only pala blood can speak on this issue, including the other 200 people enrolled but NEVER grew up or even set foot on this land...". You cannot possibly be that infantile, can you? So the attempts to try and embarrass or shame me to stay quiet are to no avail. Truth be told, your exaggerated half ass assumptions and judgments on my behalf only helped me confirm my point of your character. Sad how you cast aside your people whether they are 1/16 or not, you still carry blood from the same tribe, but VERY interesting how you brought up the MONEY! Another confirmation of your greed.
Addressed to you anonymous.. in case you cannot comprehend.
You know i really don't get you sometimes at one point youre all about talking for the other families then you talk about Pala's members then about how spoiled we are sounds like your just looking to degrade the very same people you grew up around as for money well if you know anything about native people you would understand its never been about money with us like i said i cant get where you stand point blank YOUR'E NOT FROM PALA or are you?? you say youre enrolled somewhere?? you sound just like the rest of "the outsiders" that run their mouths at the casino or elswhere about our tribal issues hey i tell you what if the shoe was on the other foot you cant tell me youd be soo understanding truth is- is that those idiots changed the rolls and now its finally came out no longer can they all live a lie so go ahead and attempt to convince us all youre right however if the rolls were never messed with well 30 years later it wouldnt be an issue us people of pala have always been welcoming even when if it meant adopting others to help them grow up in a family so you tell me how ugly and spoiled we really are..weve always been hard workers its about time we are talked about with respect straight up...
All I know is in the early 1900's there was thing called the allotment roll,well the original is housed back in Washington D.C.and on this piece of paper(i believe its called the allotment roll)Margarita is listed as 4/4 cupa.Now how would we change it? Did we invent a time machine,go back in time and fill out the original document ourselves?Did we gain access to a secure area and rewrite the whole document so there were no pen and ink changes? I don't think so,so why don't you learn the Constitution,why don't you learn the Allotment roll?
Well it was whited out with stuff called WHITE OUT! Now back in the 1900's there was no such thing invented. How do you explain that? No one will ever know because there ain't no one gonna fess up to it. So that is that!
Haha,are you sure?Did you learn the Constitution yet? Did you learn who is on the 1913 Allotment Roll yet?:) .
She may have been on it but not 4/4 try 1/2 . How could you be 4/4 when you are white?
Did they count white people as Indian back then?
HEY ANONYMOUS!!! Your damn right you understand me!! Where in the hell do you see that I'm saying all Pala members in general!?! WHERE!?! I'm talking YOU and other blockheads like you!! I clearly stated in several different paragraphs it is unfortunate that the good people of pala have to endure this type of behavior from you and others like you!! Among many more examples but you should read my paragraphs instead of me having to yet again repeat myself over and over!! And I have already stated where I was enrolled but again why should I repeat myself again and again thank you.
And how the hell do you know who was white back in 1913 if you were not there!?! If you have the nerve to ask if they counted all white as indians then the same can be said about your family! And to the other idiot who talked about white out, didn't somebody else previously say that it was erased and penciled in? Maybe if you got your stories straight you would sound more believable. And just because I don't have pala blood doesn't mean that what I say doesn't make sense, that's just an ignorant excuse to dismiss what one says because they cannot handle it. If you don't like a non member speaking up.. TOUGH!!
You got your damn nerves saying I'm talking about all pala members, pft! I have noticed a trend that you ignorant ones have of twisting things around to try and turn people against a certain somebody.
And before one of you ignorant idiots tries to say I wasn't there in 1913 either, ha! I'm not the one who wrote EVERYBODYS blood quantum!! THE ONES WHO WERE THERE DID!!!
So were the elders that stood up 20 years ago and said she was 1/2 because there was no DAD!!! Gee you don't get, it there were people who lived a long time and knew her! Why did all those elders sign that petition back in the 80's? Don't you remember? Oh I forgot you were nowhere around. There was a lot of them who said NO! They knew who she was!!!
Just like today everybody know ones business who is doing who ,what ,where ,when. You know, like when your boyfriend was screwing around and everybody knew who with! Hey wasn't that person knocked up by him. Weren't you begging not to be 86. Hemmm how we forget! Dang it! I'm just saying!!!
TOUGH!!!
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Oh yeah we all remember how a certain someones partner was messing around here and there LMFAO!! hey looks like you aint talking about our "drugged up members" anymore huh?! and oh yeah MB's dad was and still is listed as "Unknown" dang is that still written on the rolls?! well it is what it is you know as the old saying goes when you point the finger at others well..also i guess no one remembers how chairman freeman was constantly flying back and forth to DC back in the day either huh?, hey if one lie is being exposed you wonder how many more are hidden? its not worth trying to defend a lier now is it? but hey i guess the apple dosent fall to far from the tree- oh wait family tree huh? like i said sounds just like the "know it all" outsiders having their noses up on our busines but hey id be that way to if i had no life!
Ya back and forth to DC!
Didn't you idiots think I know youd say all this! I'm not hiding because I'm not ashamed of my character or family! You jackasses are anonymous because your hiding who YOU are since you know your dirty cards will all be laid out on the table, you dont know all you think you do because if you did you'd know we were split for two years before that and got back together 6 months later!!! Haha you guys never cease to amaze us with presumptuous ignorance!! And again wrong about crying around not to 86'd because those who REALLY remember would know that I wasn't going to sit back and be wrongfully kicked out on behalf of Waldas instigating trouble making lying ass!! Trying to say I slashed her tires, filing a restraining order but got denied after sounding like a complete idiot in front of the judge that he even corrected her dumbass and rolled his eyes up at her!! I went advocating and fought for my right against TRIBAL CORRUPTION!! Walda made the mistake of thinking she could kick my ass by trying to hit me and charge me like a rhino, that's why I popped her up a little bit, when I let.her up she ran to her car grabbed her phone saying "I need help!" I went up to her window and yelled "you started this! All I ever did was try to talk to you!" Because you see oh ignorant ones, I was being told different story after different story so the first time I called and asked to speak with her because I'd rather her talk to me besides gossiping people! She said yes but never came, I tried to call back and she wouldn't answer, then she sent a message to me saying I better not touch her or else I'd regret it! And THAT'S why I got pissed and called from another phone to ask her "what do mean I better not touch you? B#tch did I ever say I was gonna touch you? Talkin about you got people with you b#tch I don't give a f#ck who you got with you!" And that conversation was brought up to the judge AND SHE ADMITTED IT! Its all on paperwork by the way at the vista courthouse! Walda tried everything to get me in trouble, luckily for me she didn't know their was a witness to that fight and called the cops trying to press charges but it didn't work! Than she tried to make me look like the bad guy telling people her daughter was in the car and got blood on her.. well what the hell did she get out of the car for and charge me and walda was driving with her on her lap after the fight when waldas nose was bleeding! She got her own blood on her! She still tries to instigate to this day but unlike her I'm over it. Now your semi-educated!! Oh you know I see alot of half brothers and sisters around by different dads and moms so hows my case so different or special huh? You guys are hysterical! And what about the others in the meeting who were there to say the majority voted in favor of the 20 or so against it? It's already obvious that some people do things purely out of spite!
Yeah for the many "nosy know it all's"
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okay so much for staying on the subject- no one cares sounds like a love triangle remember TMI!!
Others want to fly off the subject on me so be it, and there's no love triangle since she isn't even involved with our family.
It wasn't TMI when the ignorant ones went off subject though huh? It's only TMI when they were CORRECTED!!
ALL I know is there are documents telling who her father is.Read the Constitution,read the 1913 allotment roll.Stop being so full of hate,its not good for you.
we all know that not true, there is no father listed. why cant you all accept the truth? its like your really believing the lie. i mean its ok there are some members frm the fams that can be enrolled, but thats not good enough for you all. the truth is the truth. if your entitled to be frm pala then so be it, but if not then your not simple as that.
Who is the father then! Where's the DNA proof? It's more than just saying "she had a father" well ya everyone has a father, but hers was not listed, and why? Come on now. This is kinda different, a different kind of diss enrollment situation people,this ain't like people being picked on, it's more like, there is a blood quantum to be met here. It's not fair others blood go down but theirs stays the same for 2 generations, then they claim white on their drivers license! What the heck? And they have all this Indian blood? Whatever !!! Seems like everyone on the Pala rolls know the rules. And those who rather turn their head and believe lies about this diss enrollment are the ones who are crying about it. For all the media being thrown around they should say the truth. Not what they want people to close their eyes to. Ya they want the Pala Tribe to say ok we will ignore this and let you keep your lying blood qauntum! Just like they did for 20 years!
You either believe official BIA documents or you don't.Isn't the BIA the official government agency who does research on or has to approve all individuals before they become tribal members? You know they did research on you,do you believe their findings?I've seen numerous BIA documents pertaining to other families to lower their blood quantum(direction from BIA to tribe with no action from the tribe),or admissions from the elders of their families that they weren't even from or even are Cupa.I've even read a book with an admission!Why aren't you up in arms about these families? Sounds like a double standard to me,or even a cover up.Unlike us, its always something with some individuals who cant live at peace with others.Point the finger,be loud to cover up their own families lack of blood.Why aren't you taking action on these families? And why are you worried about what people put on their drivers license? How do you even know what they put? Find a hobby,get a job or do something different so you can put your mind to something useful instead of trying to screw others over.
Who is the father? Is their proof of that? I think it goes beyond the BIA documents. And as far as drivers license, it was pubic records of King Freemans son Anthony Freeman. He was arrested and it showed the drivers licensed it clearly said RACE: WHITE! Why is that? If you are true Indians why you claiming you are white? How does that blood stay the same?
If you look at the BIA documents it clearly states who Margarita father is! Now what about these other families who are using blood from other origins or other Tribes as Pala blood? Why aren't you crying about that?what are you trying to cover up by pointing the finger?learn the constitution,learn who is on the original allotment roll.
THE FIRST PEOPLE
Yes The First People,they should all be treated EQUALLY with RESPECT.
Hey anonymous, a drivers licensend that states race? I had to double check mine but only see hair and eye color, weight and height! And a official federal document in washinton d.c that is changed with white out? I think this blog site should have a brain cell requirment, you are not using all 2 of yours! And stop going toe to toe with melissa laughing, I think she's probably tired of ripping you a new one! HEY, and how about that wonderful chairman you have out there in pala, two armed body gaurds wherever he goes? Sounds like someone who has done no wrong! You should keep a open ear when visiting neighboring reservations, robert smith and his butt buddy leroy miranda have turened your tribe into the laughing stock of southern california, pala members should get rid of these two idiots before their lawless behavior costs pala everything, including their casino. 2 armed bodyguards will be no match for 900+ pissed off tribal members wanting a little payback when the federal government stops government to government relations with your tribal leaders lawlessness!!!!
ok stop the bullshit ppl and say on here straight up who is the father then? NAME HIM if your so right theres no need to keep going NAME HER FATHER since you so right. WHO IS IT??? and i bet none of you will anwser the question.
Look up the appeal filed with the BIA and read it with your own eyes,Margaritas father is listed there.In the appeal you will find All documents.Read it,find out who her father is and spread the word! What about these other families using blood that's not from Cupa! What you gonna do about that?Let me know! Did you read the constitution yet? Did you read the allotment roll yet?Let me know! How do you feel about weekend warriors comments? Let me know!
I'll tell you, if you ask me in person.
Who is the father?
You guys are throwing names around, so why won't you say his name on here? All tribal members now a days have to prove the parents. Say the name so he can be DNA.
Father we need names!
Simple, its more entertaining to watch you squabble. There is nothing to hide, the information is open to you and the public! Its actually fairly simple to ascertain! But for the more incapable of 'common sense' people.. I'll be at my grandmothers tommorrow between 8am and 2pm if you need 'hand held' help.
But if you would like to play the 'question' game... I have a fun trivia... for you...
Why can't anybody say? See this is what the public newspaper should be saying. There was no father so there is no other blood to count. See everyone that is the story rite there. Nothing else but the father was not listed. And if there was one,who ? people don't need to be dissenrolled if it is as simple as proving there was a father. All they have to do is say the father. Then do DNA on the real relatives or exhume the body to get DNA. Who's body would they exhume? FATHER!!
Let me ask you people!! Would you satisfy their hate?! Or continue to make them look like complete jack asses after all they have been saying? COME ON!! COME UP TO ME!! I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO YOUR 'WONDERFUL' CHAIRMAN!!!!...
Hey Melissa, no one was getting off the subject when they were saying about how everybody on the Rez knows everybodys business. They were trying to make a point. If people know ones business these days can you just imagine how they knew everything back then? And it was close quarters back then you practically lived with everyone. So people know there was no dad listed.
Robert Smith is a great chairman! He knows how to take care of his people great! He knows his history and knows everyone on this reservation. He know what we need to improve Pala. To help the Pala people be more productive as a tribe. You wouldn't know that because your a mutt!!!
If you really want to find out who Margaritas Father is Look up the Appeal on line,when your done reading it with your own eyes(and you will cause he is listed)tell us!Tell me the name of the family member of yours listed on the 1913 allotment roll and I will tell you your families history from All the documents I have.And I have A LOT.Anonymous your starting to Bore Me!
Who got off the subject first in regards to me? Hmmm? Everybody knows everbody's "business" you say as to your 'confirmation' to historical facts, but, you didn't 100% know "my" business.. And I'M HERE!! COME UP TO ME!! I'LL BE WAITING TOMMORROW!!
What did your "wonderful" chairman have to hide when he ripped down "documentation" off of the Pala Store entrance? I read it.. Did you? There was a lot of incriminating evidence on his part. The other..is... I hope your not talking on behalf of a family who should REALLY be in question, if your not, come see me tommorrow.. because I know, they wont dare to.
Hypocritical moron!! Bitch!!.. Are you full blooded native calling someone a mutt? Dumbass!?!
Yup I was right. You all can't name the father, point proven. I read the papers and there's NO ONE listed. Man you all are so stupid back when King was chairman they voted to make mrs Britten 4/4 when in fact she was only able to prove half. The ppl voted to make her 4/4 when she was half Cupa That's what i read. I have no more time for this it's so stupid. Everyone in Pala knows the truth that's why things are being question.
Hello moron!! I'm asking to come ask me in person more than once!! Idiot!! So I can show you the 'erased' information your 'OOPS!' Council claims in their last letter has a "gap" in information!! I can show you the "gap" information that is Margarita's FATHER TWIT!!
But of course under anonymoys you will say "no father listed"! If your sure, I'LL BE WAITING! MUTT!
Your crazy and a fuckn nut if you think I would met with a person like you. You care so much of things that are none of your damn business. You not even a Pala member y the hell would I waste my time meeting you. Look it's clear enough you never say the fathers name cuz it's clear you don't know cuz if you did u would would say it simple as that. Come on were all waiting for it. prove us wrong an shut us up. Fuck make a name up do something. Your just going on and on about meeting. No one wants to met you honey no one cares about you and what papers you have. The truth is the truth. Thats why you can't name the baby daddy cuz YOU DON'T KNOW. hit if it was me I would say it's this person and what what's up then bitches, but no your just playing games. I'm fed up with you girl and this subject. Hey u aint a memebr here so go on.
Why is everybody crying around if it was that simple to stay enrolled! And Melissa you are so nutty it's not funny. I wish I could meet you just so I can tell you how off you are! But I have to work my a## off to live. So sorry got no time for a simple mutt!!! And for your lying whited out papers you can just put them back in the box you got them from because they aren't helping anybody!
When Niggarr was in office he quoted "KEEP THEM CONFUSED YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU WANT" now I get what he meant!!!!
Ok.. Proof in person vs words on internet? You have a habit of picking say over matter. I offered. Would it help if a "member" sat along side me to show you? But oh well I guess, what does this "nut" know? Oh thats right, her fathers name. I offered in person to denounce any possible future denials one might have with claims of, 'wheres the proof', seems logical reasoning with ones own eyes would have been a rationally preferred choice, but for once, it seems, I have greatly overestimated you. But there you go with your famous "your not Pala" as if that is a clear indication of a non member not possibly knowing of a matter over you. How is this none of my business if this affects lives of friends and family I care about? You obviously have no understanding due to your obnoxious oblivious questioning. You act like everyone here are strangers to me. What was your chairman hiding that he ripped those papers down? If he had nothing to cover up he wouldn't have behaved in such manor... I can show you what it was too by the way.
Oh and as far as throwing in you work so you cant meet me in person.. well too bad for you than if my days off from work are during the week. Non fullblooded MUTT!
Sacramento Bee
What does this have to do with the issue at hand Mellissa?
Are you serious asking me that? Or did you not read all the above said, greatly bypassing the question "what does that have to do with anything" on my account by the previous narrow minded grade level 3 thinkers? So to the other anonymous.. I need no reference to the sacramento bee's news site, but thank you anyways.
Hey this level 3 thinker is right about how crazy off you are! Whatever you think or say about this issue is out of your control. Do you think your making a difference here? All your doing is making things worse for yourself. Keep looking over your shoulder!MUTT!
There are some idiots on this site! mainly,mostly,pretty much the person lately who is going by Anonymous.
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Hey anonymous mutt.. Excactly how am I making things worse for my myself? Im fine. Keep looking over my shoulder? Haha!! Please!! And I may not be able to change anything but im very happy your vile malicious (etc. etc.) characteristics came into play for others to see! And..
Who's the dad though? After all that ha ha ha ! Who is the daddy? Ha ha ha ha
The Father is listed on the appeal which was filed in time to the BIA.If you read the appeal you will see.If you come back and say "I looked and he's not there",you are a liar!Have you ever seen the directive from the BIA in 1981 to lower the blood quantum of a certain executive committee members family? How do you feel about this?Don't lie!
I read it, its there. Anonymous? Did you? "after all that...hahaha".
What part of I read it dont you stupid ass's get! I read it all 30 pages. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS I READ IT!!!! and theres nothing listed! Now hahaha to that YOU TWO cant name him or else you would already. You dont have anything to back up your lies and you two are straight LIARS!
lairs lairs lairs hahahaha. you cant prove anything but just talk crap on here. so say whatever makes you feel better about this OK. you keep telling your self lies so that you and familys feel better about all thats going on.
Anonymous your hopeless! Did you read the supporting documents?what's your feeling on the 1981 directive from the BIA to lower the blood of a certain executive committee member?Hasn't been done yet,has it.do you think it's time to?
Seems like someone made you mad because there is no father? You must have been a council member before to know that much information. Are you the same one that lied and signed documents about that time?
I think Anonymous should change his/her moniker to Oblivious. hahahahahaha
I think you need to pay attention to "NO FATHER" , just saying that's what I think!
I'll give you a hint as to who her father was half twit, Pala has a street named after his last name. And with several people unaware of Rob ripping down documents king put up to prove there is questionable actions on his part, i'll elaborate, the first letter was to the eight who were immediatly dis enrolled without warning, the second letter was to the other 100 plus members who were informed there was a "gap" of information and the members were given 30 days to submit that information, or be dis enrolled, the third letter was evidence your chairman lied to you and everyone that the eight dis enrolled did not file an appeal before the deadline when in fact, they absolutely did. So, why werent the eight dis enrolled given the opportunity to submit the required information the tribe is asking for but instead immediatly dis enrolled them? Hmm. And why did Rob personally rip these down so that others could not see? If he is not guilty of anything and did no wrong he would have ignored them, but with his acting out it clearly proves he is hiding something from you and evertbody else. And just so we are clear, the letter sent to the 100 plus did NOT state "it is proven you do not meet the blood quantum" but instead said "there is a gap of information" and the letter also stated that several individuals have already began submitting their documents and had thanked them for doing so. There is so much more going than you realize.
Come rite out and say it!!! And maybe the papers that were ripped off is nobody's business !
...And maybe your elected official has some to hide!! He knew he was doing wrong, thats why he walked back and forth back and forth then hobbled in and out of the store before doing so. FIGURES you'd still respond ignorantly!
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