UPDATE: The comment section is proving to be on of the biggest since the Snoqualmie issue. Take a look at the comments
Eight people have been ousted from the Pala Band of Mission Indians in North County, including a former leader of the tribe, because officials say they have determined the individuals did not have strong enough family ties to the tribe.
The eight individuals are members of the Freeman family, including King Freeman, former chairman of the tribe and owner of the Pala Store on Highway 76, and his son, Tony Freeman. A spokesman for the tribe said Tuesday that the dispute over the Freemans' membership in the tribe had been ongoing since 1989 and that it was an internal tribal matter.
"The courts have consistently held that membership issues are determined by the tribes," said Doug Elmets, a spokesman for Pala. OP: They all speak from the same script
The tribe ruled June 1 that the eight individuals did not have the minimum 1/16 Pala blood required to be members, Elmets said. They were given 30 days to appeal the decision, but they missed the deadline, Elmets said.
The 900-member tribe owns Pala Casino Resort and Spa, a large gambling resort complex, on Highway 76 about 15 miles north of Escondido.
Many tribes have "blood quantum laws" to determine membership. Those laws, introduced by the federal government in the 1930s, describe the degree of ancestry that is required to belong to a particular tribe.
King Freeman and his son, Tony, could not be reached for comment.
The ouster of the eight individuals from Pala is the latest in a string of disenrollments from local tribes. The Pechanga Band of Mission Indians, which owns a large hotel and casino complex near Temecula, has expelled about 240 members since 2004.
About 60 members of the San Pasqual Band of Mission Indians in Valley Center, which owns the Valley View Casino and Hotel, were expelled from the tribe earlier this year.
The disenrollments in Pechanga and San Pasqual were over questions of heritage, tribal leaders said. However, members of the ousted families allege they were kicked out for other reasons, including politics and greed. OP: Pechanga's disenrollments eliminated opposition voices, which allowed Council Members Mark Macarro, Andrew Masiel and Butch Murphy (who was adopted) to control power. Imagine eliminated 25% of Democratic votes. The GOP would gain and hold power.
One of the benefits of belonging to wealthy casino tribes is that members get a share of the gambling profits, which can total thousands of dollars a month. Fewer members can mean more money for individuals. OP: Pechanga's disenrollments accounts to THEFT of the per capita of the terminated members. That dollar amount has reached $1.4 MILLION from each terminated member.
King Freeman, a lifelong resident of the Pala reservation, served a total of 19 years as chairman of the tribal council and six years as vice chairman. His last term ended in 2001 OP: So, does anyone REALLY think that it's an issue of blood quantum?
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How many are getting kicked out of pala? I am a outsider?
Unfortunately blood quantum is a made up word to destroy Native American tribes. Why is it blacks have the one drop rule but Native Americans have blood quantum? One drop of blood makes you black, but that does not apply to Indians? Why not? The reason is that the U.S. was out to destroy Indians.They wanted Indians to no longer exist. Tribes have accepted this when in fact they should fight to destroy this evil word. If the U.S said one drop of blood makes you black then why does this not apply to Native Americans? Do research you might be surprised at what you find.
To speaker of the truth... well you must have something to hide, since we all have asked you a million times who Margarita's father is and yet you wont go public with it and answer. And too melissa, so are u sure 120 are getting kicked out? and if they arent and there backing it up with there paper work, then shouldnt Kings Family be re enrolled back in the tribe??? this all sounds crazy to me.
To speaker of the truth... well you must have something to hide, since we all have asked you a million times who Margarita's father is and yet you wont go public with it and answer. And too melissa, so are u sure 120 are getting kicked out? and if they arent and there backing it up with there paper work, then shouldnt Kings Family be re enrolled back in the tribe??? this all sounds crazy to me.
Ask Mellissa Freeman she know it all.
Melissa Freeman should know how many. But I don't think there is anymore since they have legit paper work.
Check the supporting documents in the appeal,these are the same documents that the BIA provided to the Pala Band Back in the 80's.Read them & you shall find Margaritas Fathers name.Has any body read the story in the Sacramento bee about Howard Dickstein?
No really, gotta check that out.
For the story about Howard Dickstein, which one are you talking about? Can you provide a link?
@outsider, supposedly 120.
@outsider, supposedly 120.
I think people need to read the Howard Dickstein section which just came out on this blog,very informative.
Robert Smith is the best leader a reservation can have. He keeps everything in line for the people. It is to bad someone like Melissa has no self thinking. The busy body she is one would think poor girl needs a lot of attention she probably never had as a child. So please Melissa who has no life leave our CHAIRMAN MR.ROBERT SMITH alone. No one can match his position so get over it and quit trying to know more then him. ROBERT SMITH is the best...;;;;;
It's about time someone can talk positive, chairman Smith has a lot of good things no one is saying about. One has to just look at the Pala Rez and see what a great job and CHAIRMAN he has been . Whoever this Melissa is should know how great CHAIRMAM SMITH has been I am sure she has had to kiss his ass to be able to stay on our REZ PALA after what trouble she has been..
Who's the father, name the father, where's the father, the father, father, father, father. Hell anonymous I have a parrot with a larger vocabulary than you, and it has a bird brain!!!!!. Read the supporting documents!, I have, you can answer your own question... ITS RIGHT THERE!. I am a little dismayed at the two writers above who say your "hopeless" and " oblivious"... You would have to raise the standards of your sorry exsistance to be hopeless and oblivious. Anonymous want a cracker???. Again, I went in and read it, and I am waiting on some info before I say more but I think there is alot more to say here. Unlike some people, (anonymous), I like having the facts before opening MY mouth!
Anonymous you must be on the receiving end of smiths fringe benefits! what else would explain your blind faith in the man!So now I ask you,Would a great leader buy shares in three Jet airplanes without asking the General council? And from what I understand these aren't cheap! I wonder how many personal trips he has taken on them? You know Dickstein has that's one of the Reasons he was Run from Rumsey!Don't even get me started on that situation! Would a great leader pay 3X the appraised value on a piece or property,that's Roberts Ranch in Pauma Valley(he must like the name). Would a great leader have a sky box at Charger games,and only a select few get to go there(we all know who these people are,But they shall remain nameless for now). Point being there's money fling out the window left and right! Now he wants to lower monthly payments to Tribal Members? Now there's no money for Bonuses.I wonder why ? Would a great leader get sloppy drunk on a regular basis at the casino,in from of customers? There's a reason why the Tribe is getting all this BAD PUBLICITY and it all starts with the Great Chairman Robert Smith!
Who's the father, name the father, where's the father, the father, father, father, father!. Anonymous, i have a parrot with a larger vocabulary than that, and it has a bird brain!!!. Read the documents submitted in that appeal, I have, IT TELLS YOU!. Iam a little dismayed that two writers above say you are hopeless and oblivious, you need to raise the level of your sorry exisitance to be hopeless and oblivious!. Anonymous want a cracker???. Again I have read it and I am waiting on some info before I say more, but I believe there is much more to say, unlike some people (anonymous) I like to know the facts before I open MY mouth
To speaker of the truth the another anonyoums it's about time I hear some straight up truthful words about that chairman! Look I have no problem with u or Melissa I just fell like this. If you don't truly have the Cupa blood to be enrolled then a person shouldn't be enrolled. And that comes with all the other words. I also feel that next years elections should be good just like this one. The people can vote them 2 out along with the others! That's once positive thing we have in common gotta give u that one! But still curious on the father of margarita? Just saying that much.
I do have Cupa blood if I didn't I wouldn't be fighting.If you want to know who Margaritas Father is read the appeal,but you must also read the supporting documents.There you will find Margaritas father,and He was Cupa.The importance of reading the appeal is not only find out who Margaritas father is but also to see the great injustice put on this family.I believe the link is mentioned in some of the comments.Happy reading.
Say all negatives you want about me hateful anonymous', you are disgusting people anyways. I give no praise for that child like acting chairman for "letting" me stay on the reservation, what trouble have i been other than smacking a few loud mouths who without a doubt have been the REAL troublemakers. HMM? OH! AND KEY WORD OF NUMBERS KICKED WAS SUPPOSEDLY!! IDIOTS!! AND MARGARITAS FATHER WAS BORN AROUND 1820 AND TELL ME???? DO YOU HAVE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS ON YOUR GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER??? OTHER THAN WORDS?!!?!? IF SMITH WAS A GREAT CHAIRMAN THAN WHY IS HE ACTING LIKE A SPOILED BRAT NOT GETTING HIS WAY?! I SAW HIM DRIVE BY LOOKING AT THE STORE AND LAUGHING AFTER HIS BROTHER THE TWO-BIT DRUG DEALER HAD SOMEONE ELSE PUT WORDS OF SLANDER OF KING ON HIS STORES WALLS!!! IT WAS CAUGHT ON SURVEILLANCE SHOWING HIS DUMB BROTHERS CHEVY SUV PULL UP WITH HIS BIG HEAD IN THE PASSENGER SEAT!!! AND HATE MAIL?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU COWARDS?!?!?!? GET A LIFE CHICKEN SHITS!!!! Oh, and tearing down signs of a candidate for tribal council around the reservation of the family you dont like because her signs were "on his property" CHILDISH!! Guess what? King has absolutely no problem with Smiths relative of opposing position hang her sign on his store property... BECAUSE HE IS NOT AN IGNORANT BITCH LIKE YOUR DEVELISH CORRUPT CHAIRMAN!!!!
but to you anonymous who spoke right above speaker of the truth, no ill words to you as you did not speak with disrespect, I hope when the truth comes out others can be willing to accept as much as you appear to be. Its just unfortunate that the council does have final say on the matter, because they are corrupt and seem to be turning their noses up even though they know the families do have information on margaritas father.
DOES KINGS SON TONY DEAL DRUGS FROM KINGS STORE LIKE HE USE TOO?OF COURSE HE DOES.HE AND RENDAL USE TO DEAL FROM SDGE TRUCK.AUNTIE JULE WANTS OUR STORE BACK.
MR.MAXCY DID U HELP YOUR BROTHER STAB THAT BOY OVER 50 TIMES AND KILL HIM.MR MESA GRANDE HOW DID U GET TO BE A MEMBER OF PALA.HOW DID U SNEAK INTO THE PALA TRIBE.YOUR MOTHER STEAL MONEY FROM THE FOSTER KIDS PROGRAM AND TANF.WHY DO U WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE DO U WANT TO STEAL MONEY FROM TRIBE LIKE YOUR MOM DOES.
BRAIN TRUJILLO U THEIF THEIF THIEF THATS WHY U GOT FIRED FROM PECHANGA AND PALA.
SHEILA LOPEZ WHY IS SHE SUCH A FAT LARD ASS.GOT MY VOTE
Dont know how other families got mentioned in this... But thanks for not denying the fact the chairmans brother is a petty nickle bag drug dealer. I just wish the girl who was raped by him as a teenager when he was in his 30's would have pressed charges... I told her she should have... Its disgusting how Robs people get away with shit, like when his bro was shooting his gun off in front of the casino, or like another council member (Kilma) was shooting his gun around, (which by the got a members per capita checks taken away for a year when he tried to speak up against kilma for it)...
If your accusation against kings son are true, how long ago was that? Because we all have a past.. Its what we haved learned from it and overcome that makes us a stronger person. But for the current fuck ups I speak of.. pft.. No passion for change.
u should know melissa u bought drugs from him ha ha ha.When king was chairman his son was busted with a quarter pound of meth.u should know melissa u know every thing. yeah we all have a past melissa even u 51/50 why u care about pala u are not a member of the tribe.u were banned.
from pauma native.
BLAH HAHAHA!!!.. At least come quasi-close in regards to me!! 51/50 nutty nuts crazy and whatever else someone wants to call me, is a futile attemp to try an detour others from the facts at hand.. People arent as naive as you would hope! "knows it all, knows everything", words that come only out of your mouths! AND I AM NOT BANNED FROM PALA NUMBNUTS!! Never did the words your lying come from me in the matter of kings son, "if your accusations are true" is what I said, due to the fact I did no research on the matter as it has never been an issue brought up to me until now, the BIG DIFFERENCE between him and the others is he has done his time and has moved on and bettered himself since then, UNLIKE THESE CURIOUSLY TOLERABLE CORRUPT INDIVIDUALS STILL RUNNING AROUND THE RESERVATION ABUSING THEIR SOVEREIGNTY!! SOVEREIGNTY WAS NOT GIVEN TO TRIBES TO FREELY COMMIT CRIMES!! STOP TRIBAL CORRUPTION!!
MELISSA ALL U DO IS WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO BLOG ABOUT THIS MATTER.GET IT THOUGH YOUR CRAZY HEAD U ARE NOT A PALA MEMBER.PS GET SOME SLEEP CRAZY LADY.I BET U WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE LAST WORD WATCH.
FROM PAUMA NATIVE.
Get some sleep?? No hon.. I woke to get ready for work. And its not about the "last word, watch".. I just dont like ignorant comments on my part.. And what the fuck is this constant "your not pala.." Fucken people! Someones not crazy for speaking on a matter they know of.. It doesnt take "blood" to see whats going on in front of their eyes..
Interesting story in the Roseville press tribune.Go to their home page,put thunder valley casino in their search engine and read the story and comments.Dickstein & Elmets Raping another tribe of Honor & resources,now their helping Robert Smith to destroy Pala.All to pad their own pockets!
did willie pink serve on the pala council with lee ann hayes the night they voted on marg. brittain's blood line? and how is he backed up in a corner his family is part of this blood line, right?
What? "Can't Play Well With Others?...Sticks And Stones!" You said, no you said, no I said? Get over it, "People!" Work for what is right: "Our Heritage And Birthright Is At Stake Here!"... "And You Should Be Given A Chance To Prove It!"..."Bottom Line?" So, "Please," give up this "Banny Rooster Mentality," and get back into the fight for "Justice" for the oppressed "Native American!"
I don't think willie pink was on council when this was voted on,I'll have to look at my records to be sure.I don't think that would have made a difference if he was.None the less it was voted on to restore margaritas blood and it passed.
Right on Smokeybear!
WOW !! Talk about Willie Pink he sure is a user of the Pechanga Rez, the way he hides on there turf but has everything to do with what is said on here. He is such a bully he can't even go to the tribal meetings to help save his family white family!! I hope Pechanga sees how he is using them to the max always looking to see where his next buck will be made off there Rez. It's sad his own REZ can't trust him he is evil. Everyone thinks he is from Pechanga any way. Shame, Shame, Shame.
Can anyone tell me if the 120 members are still going to be kicked out from pala did they provide the paper work
Why are some of the anonymous people so full of hate?
ARE THEY STILL GOING TO KICK OUT 120 MEMBER OUT OF THE PALA TRIBE.
Reyes King Freeman, when are you going to stop trying to get your way by using your white man ways? Only works if you have no Indian blood and every one here's you nice and loud yes we understand you have just a drop. Sorry you might full the newspaper cause they love to to think poor Reyes Freeman is being picked on but you know the truth you had to lie about your blood line also. I hope the Pala tribe will one day ask Freeman and his lying children to pay back what money they stole from the tribe all those years. The tribe should run to congress and paper with that note!!!!!!!
Reyes King Freeman, when are you going to stop trying to get your way by using your white man ways? Only works if you have no Indian blood and every one here's you nice and loud yes we understand you have just a drop. Sorry you might full the newspaper cause they love to to think poor Reyes Freeman is being picked on but you know the truth you had to lie about your blood line also. I hope the Pala tribe will one day ask Freeman and his lying children to pay back what money they stole from the tribe all those years. The tribe should run to congress and paper with that note!!!!!!!
He wasnt the one who marked margarita as 4/4 back in 1913, it doesnt take a genius to put two and two together, her degree of blood erased and marked DOWN, not up. Thats why her blood degree came into question the first time, king wasnt even the one who initially pushed for it. It just seems it was his bad luck he was in office about that time, its understandable because of it gossip and soon hate arose from it. Back in the old days there was no beneficial reason to lie and claim full blood, to have been marked as half white would have earned one more respect and opportunities in that era among the american society. Regardless, back then the old ones made a decision, if your indian your indian, thats how they wanted it, why disrespect them by disregarding their wishes and change the things they struggled so hard for in establishing their identity as a tribe? Margarita walked the trail with her children in tow, she is one of your old ones, the disrespect towards your ancestors and the only reason for being on this land is a shameful travesty. You let speculation over the years turn to added malicious accusations that finally turned into utter despise and hate, against your ancestors better hopes dreams and wishes, this fighting and diversity is not what our elders stood for, they instead took pride in themselves as a unity, a tribe, and that meant everyone from the tribe, they took no blood count, blood count, THAT my friend is the brainchild of the white ways, as you can see it is actually helping diminish the native tribes in numbers, causing more friction, fighting and seperation from each other ultimately heading for demise like the american government all those years ago tried to do, but reyes king freeman standing up to fight against a large party no matter if it seems to be a losing battle on the other hand, well, thats the old american indian way.
It seems to me the ones using the White Mans Ways are the ones who started this Whole Disenrollment thing.ROBERT SMITH,LEROY MIRANDA, And the rest who voted in favor to Disenroll.Who taught these people to change the constitution act outside their lawful authority as Elected Tribal Officials?The EVIL WHITE MAN HOWARD DICKSTEIN & HIS ASSOCIATES.If you do research on this man he has created problems every where he goes!ROBERT hiding behind armed security guards,sounds like white mans ways to me!
Are the 120 people still going to be kicked out from the pala tribe
I don't know their status is still up in the air.Maybe somenone can call Howard Dickstein and find out!
Back in the day you got to ride in front of the bus if you were white maybe she benifited from the white blood no one knows but her and her kids.
All this comes down to is who's is the father of Margarita Brittin. It's clear as day that the ones on here still can't name a father. It's very disturbing if one has nothing to hide then would just say and prove everyone wrong. But doesn't seem there smart enough to do so. This blog is about that about the 8dis enrolled members not everyone on the reservation. People can blame who they want but in the end they inside know the truth and so help you god. Lying to benefit from others is not right I can see why people are upset.
The first thing asked from the family was supporting documents proving they are margaritas descendants, the second information asked from the family was margaritas father, which has been submitted, the third asked is information from the b.i.a., im sorry to say, but stage two of margaritas father has already been submitted, so you can now move on...
is it the same anonymous that keep sayin who the father is?who the father is? i been readin some comments that just keep sayin the same thing,i looked up that bia filing with the papers that go with it and guess what? i found out who the father is.and im no attorney but it looks like he is cupa.it was really easy to find and from what i saw it seems this family is gettin screwed over royally.why dont ya just look up the filing.and what up with the committee doin this to these people are they legit cuz ive been hearin that one of them is yaqui and shouldnt be enrolled and another is using blood from another tribe?it just sounds like a screwed up rez at the moment.
Please name me the website and who appeared as the father? What's his the name? as for the other yuki blood I heard they only had a little which has nothing to do with the Pala blood and is a proven fact. Thy may have yuki but Pala is stronger and has nothing to do with the Pala blood. These other 8 who got kicked out where only a 11/32nd the rest white no yuki. Very interesting.
stand up california.papers say father was peligrino (saubel) ortega.had a half sister from same father named merced nolasquez.it says something bout some applications of her desendents bein tampered with no explination why,like someone lowered their blood.now thats screwed up.i read some one say this king guy did something and i aint takin sides but how could he aint like way younger than all these people.and some one showed me the cards i think from the bia like in 1981 say the tribe needs to lower some lady named rocinda cause she got yaqui blood that cant be used as pala blood,i was told that it would make this leroy guy barely a member.does he have kids enrolled.why are the committee doin this when there papers out on them sayin their blood aint there.just sounds screwed up thats all.
For Pala it is all about look the other way while Robert Smith and Howard Dickstein remove money from the Casino by the truckload. Robert laughs while families fight over crumbs. He stirs the pot filled with Leroy Miranda's hate and it spills onto everyone who enters Pala. What has not been mentioned in these comments is that Leroy was busted for soliciting a male prostitute. "Let there be light." Really explains why he hates his uncle Mel and why he almost killed him once. Get over your sexuality problems Leroy and let the us Indians be Indians.
So the tribe should look into a more legitimate cause for dis enrollment, Dion(cahuilla blood) Cindy(adopted) Leroys kids(if pala actually lowered their familys blood like the b.i.a. suggested, they wouldnt meet 1/16).
Is let the be light a comment or is it a article or book?
The dumbest argument I have ever heard amongst Indians is over the English spelling of their Indian name. Is it Cupa or Kupa. Mewuk or Miwok. Is it Hupa or Hoopa. The second dumbest argument is over blood quantum. You don't here people arguing over the blood of Secretariat, Seabiscuit or Native Diver. The only ones that would argue pedigree would be the losers. Hmmmm. The losers.
Sounds like everyone is the loser on this one.
I havent seen anybody on here argue over name spelling, I have however noticed the misspellings of other words, but I didn't feel it was necessary to correct them. Arguing over blood degree has unfortunately become a huge factor, it is not so much of stripping one off the rolls, but rather denying one of their birthright. I'm not keen to the idea of calling someone a loser for speaking their mind.
Oh but if it was your name or whatever heritage you are you would be correcting it. Did you go threw school letting people misspell your sh## !!? Come on now
Leroys family acts like they are full blood pala can't stand those assholes fuck u leroy Mr happy time book store. David duro u and your brothers go back to tm.
Haters on this blog if u ain't Pala or have a 16th then get the fuck out on! It's all about having blood it's obvious people can't prove there CUPA and are mad Hahahaha people can bring up every family in Pala but the truth is you aren't CUPA then get out of our Rez!
I know I'm not mad and I've read the appeal it says they are Cupa,I've read the supporting documents it's says they are Cupa.I've read that Peligrino (Saubel) Ortega is her father, even Rocindas elders said margarita is 4/4 Cupa.I ain't mad the only ones mad are Big Baby and his family,male prostitute seeker and his family.And the adopted one cindy leal.That's who's mad,but everyone already knew that.hahaha I just laughed at them.haha
Here we go more names being brought up! as for "big baby" thats his problem I dont think anyone else cares about him, its Robert who's signing off on everything be mad at that Fatso. And read the papers right, Pelegrino was the FATHER of Merced and SHE had HALF SISTERS and one of those HALF was MARGARITA BRITTEN and which still has no father listed!now get over it if they were really cupa they would never be questioned! one more thing if people on here are so tuff bringing up all kinds of diffrent familys why dont you go knock at there door and talk your shit face to face not behind a computer? which i know you wont cause your a CHICKEN SHIT so HA HA HA HA to that :)you still wont be enrolled back bcuz the truth is the truth and that goes to anyone else in question. take that hahahaha give those homes to the real indians not these whites who have been stealing from our people for years!
VOTE FOR ANTHONY RAVAGO FOR VICE CHAIRMAN.
I'm sure jeff wouldnt mind-how sad..
FUCK LEROY AND HIS FAMILY. THEY DONT EVEN HAVE THE BLOOD TO BE MEMBERS.
Lol.. calling people chickenshits for talking behind a computer... While sitting behind a computer.. Wtf? Lol.
I know that there is a "freedom of speech" thing here but its only right we start leaving all the other issues and families out lets stay on the issue people***its only going to create more issues that dont need to be said c'mon!!
Read the BIA records the sworn testimony from rocindas elders said Margarita Brittian and Merced nolasquez had the same father.his name was Peligrino (saubel) Ortega.I Saw the appeal on stand up California web site. It's official papers,BIA check it out.Too many say she isnt but don't have proof to back their statements.I've seen the proof that says she is.Some people believe made up stuff I believe official documents.when people vote to unjustly disenroll,their families blood becomes under scrutiny and I've seen some damning evidence on paper.I've seen some damning evidence against Leroys family,dions family.I've seen admissions from their elders that they weren't from Cupa,and if they were they admitted to have full blood Yaqui.
I wanna get 13000.00 dollars a month how would I be able to sign up my great great great great grandmother was luiseno from old Pala and I'm not enrolled.? How do I get 13000.00? And tax free money? Everyone knows about all these people what about me?
DNA sh##!!! Dig his body up then that's how you will know and for sure find out who is who. Easy solution, shut these people up once and for all. They did it to the mummies !
Are the the 120 members that are up for disserollement eligible to vote in the upcoming election.
And Mellissa everybody knows that you are one of the anonymous . But it's too late for you and the information you bring. Can't use it for nothing!!!!
And Mellissa everybody knows that you are one of the anonymous . But it's too late for you and the information you bring. Can't use it for nothing!!!!
Typical ignorant comment with no affect.
Hey Melissa laughing I think you have cousin out there named Cindy. Seriously, no one knows who her real father is so that must make her a "Who Pa" Indian.
Too stupid a comment to mind.
All pala members dnt forget to vote on Nov 22
Hey Melissa laughing is not even from southern California she has no cousins here. No blood this way what so ever .half brothers half sisters mean either not the same dad or not the same mother. Or maybe neither
Are they going to kick out 120 member
No I mean vote on the 21 . I forgot , so mellissa don't forget to vote.
Melissa are u going to vote on Nov 22 oh yeah u are not from pala and u will never be a member of pala.dnt forget to take your crazy pills
Hey Melissa are 120people getting kick out since your the chairman of Pala? Lmao! Cmon you know everything :)
This blog is pretty juicy.
this blog is stupid WTF!!!
Your stupid!
Oh my gosh! I cant vote?!.. Haha, idiot.
And you have bad breath!
Mellissa you can't, awww why, ?
Infantile remarks from obese morons
Ok Melissa are the 120 getting kicked out or what?
You should instead ask your corrupt power hungry chairman dear, if your not afraid to have your per capita checks with held that is.
and you have bad breath LOL! MELISSA IS A FUCKIN BITCH AND SHE NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF TRIBAL MATTERS!!!!!!!!!!
Does anyone know if the 120 people are going to be kicked out of the pala tribe.can they still vote on Nov 22 .does anyone know .
How do all u pala member feel about the upcoming tribal elections who u think is going to win.I am pala member I think its going to b a close
Im a bitch to those who deserve it! Trashy little uneducated loose pussy lipped scared trick!
And to the other special ed case.. What kind of lame shit is "melissas has no southern california blood.." First off..is that supposed to be offensive to someone? Second..you obviously dont know shit. Third.. it is now proven to everyone else who knows adam from even that your only blowing shit out of your morbidly obese ass! So step up or shut up 'coyote'.
I feel you need to vote in people who will put EVERYONES BEST INTEREST FIRST.
And how about the information on leroys blood with recommendation of blood being lowered be your next topic, unless your afraid of your per capita checks being withheld.
AND WE ALL NOTICED THAT YOU PRETTY MUCH TALKED SHIT ABOUT SOMEONE FROM EVERY OTHER FAMILY BUT YOUR OWN!! DO YOU REALLY THINK THOSE FAMILIES WILL VOTE FOR YOUR PRECIOUS LEROY NOW!!? BRAVO MORON!! BUT THATS WHAT YOU UGLY SOULED, OBESE, HATEFUL, THINKING YOUR ABOVE EVERBODY ELSE, BITTER FACED, PREJUDICED, GREEDY, SPITEFUL, LYING, MATERIALISTIC FOR NOTHING, COWARDLY, DISGUSTING, TWO FACED SHIT TALKERS GET!! PUNK ASS LITTLE CHICKEN SHIT CUNT BITCH!!
I wasnt going to comment anymore until an ignorant little nothing who thinks their something brought me back up. You know nothing of my blood or family, your fooling no one but yourself! So save your filthy (probably talking about your own family) ignorant knows nothing about me so got to make up something about me comments to ignorantly pass to your children like whats been done to you! coyote.
And I received a letter in the mail that I didnt open by the way seeing that there was no returning address, proving it must be hate mail, children children. Just send your mommy my way if your too scared to approach yourself.
I think I got the picture now. Merced was a half sister to Margarita. Caroline Nolasquez the daughter of Merced Nolasquez, who by the way lived back in the day and knew these women has stated in sworn testimony that her mother and half aunt Margirita shared the same father PELIGRINO SAUBEL, 4/4 CUPA! Is there anyone other than Leroy Miranda who lived in those days? Here's my point, Leroy thru Rosinda thru Caroline thru Merced is related to Margarita! I find this interesting because Leroy has dedicated his life,(when not trolling outside the HAPPY TIME) to discrediting Margarita. This is sad because his family sits back while he calls his ancestors LIARS !! I thought native way was to respect your elders and ancestors, this shows everone the degree of cupa native culture at work here...NONE!!! I bet he and his family own cars plastered with decals of feathers, native pride bumper stickers, and dream catchers hanging from their rear view mirrors, Again, read the appeal its all there, I think the facts have become a bitter jagged little pill for Ldroy and his family to swallow, but facts is facts, swallow the pill and get over it
I was reading the comments and I think " big baby" is rob smith.
Hey Mellissa Freeman is that your real name?
Reyes King Freeman, MR coyote himself that's what all the old people would call him. So Mellissa get it rite your precious coyote king Freeman wished his children enrolled. He didn't care about anyone else but himself. Just like a coyote he fixed himself up pretty now they are falling pretty! So if anybody King Freeman should be the one to blame for all the dissenrolled people. Can't anyone see that and everyone who backs him up will be sorry. Coyote coyote coyote that's all he is look at his face his beedy little eyes you can't even look into them. And how is is skin so lite? And attracted to white women? He didn't marry a Indian women why? He couldnt get away with freezer action! If king Freeman was so honest then why did he lie about his family? He knows what is true but his words are so sacred! Since when. History shall and is repeating itself as we speak! Rite King, his grandchildren are Indian? But when you see them in town hey what do you know you can't tell them from the rest of the white people. They get treated good in this white world, shoot they get the hey how are you treatment. They get seated in the best seats at resturaunts they get the good deals why? Because you can't tell they are Indian! They are lite skinned white looking people. They get the great conversation because they can truly BULLSHIT!!! That's what leads their way threw life! Best of both worlds, camillions !
Yup thats my real name. Its what was given to me when I was born. Dumbass. As far as coyote, my definition was "coyotes are cowards alone, they ony get tough in a pact"
Exactly , well put thank u , but are you biologically a Freeman? Or legally a Freeman?
So much shit talk of white man, but white man feeds you, along with blacks mexicans & asians. Are you really independent? Or dependant?
Legally! Which means its my name! Dumbass! Its not illegally my name.. Dumbass!
What about biologically? Are you biologically a Freeman ? That was my question! Don't go around the question. Answer it!
Fuck you Melissa u cunt go stab yourself again or someone. U know wat I mean u act like your shit don't stink.is king telling wat to post on this blog.
Fuck you bitch I dont have to go around nothing! Look at the beggining of my blog bitch i fucken let you mither fuckers know whats up! And fuck you to 'anonymous' who the fuck did I stab before that you wanna cry around about it? King dont tell me nothing to say to you bitches! He says nothing negative about any one around here but you hateful lowlifes put that shit in your fucken heads to make it ok to talj shit. Fuck you!
The only bitch on here is King Freeman . Well biologically are you a Freeman ? You still did not answer. Oh ya I thought it was a razor blade you jacked someone up with? Did you? Your that cold blooded, VATO LOCA wow what gang are you in?
your I.q. Is too low to figure out my answer little girl, and for people who really know me know that your stupid ass remarks on my character and life are more than beyond ignorant! Trying to get me to answer stupid ass irrelevant questions, bitch what kind of stupid games are you playing? "answer the question answer the question" bitch your questions are bogus. Trying to make shit up about me to get the gossip going lije your parents did to you. Grow up and learn to be independant!
Maybe your hiding something then ! Secrets how many people have them.
Fucken stupid ass!! Wtf do I have to hide idiot?!! Come up and ask me in person ANYTHING you want bitch i'll fucken tell you whats up straight out!!
Why aren't you saying if you are biological or not. Hey this sounds familiar. So 100 years from now people are gonna be saying ya she was a real Freeman and others will be saying na she was not a real Freeman. Her dad had a different father. Some will say it was all the same father. That is familiar. Good thing my kids know the truth about people.
I wouldn't want to talk to u in person u might stab me didn't u do time for stabbing someone.why were u in the crazy house. Oh yeah cutting yourself.yeah yeah ignorant this and ignorant that.so u really have the nerve to talk shit about people. fuck u stupid dumbass cunt!!!!!
Ya there you go . She is known t be crazy I knew it it as to be that yurok blood! You Yurok !?,!
Ok children,every one gets a time out for not playing nice.
What the fuck are you dumdass cunts babbling about?! Are you making shit up as you go along since you dont have shit else to say?!! Fucken dumb cunts!! And fuck you now bitches I dont got to explain shit else to you trick! Fucken makin shit up like you know whats up but asking stupid ass questions at the same time! Fucken idiots..
Ms.anonymous...im a TANF worker and I know Mrs.Maxcy and she was on TANF for a very short time so I dont know how she could have ripped off TANF and if you're going by the picture thats on the back of the TANF newpaper we ran that and we are still running it because we like the picture, but she has been off TANF for 2 years so wherever you are getting your facts from YOUR WRONG. I WORK IN THAT DEPARTMENT. YOU NEED TO STOP SLANDERING PEOPLE. And as far as the 50 times being stabbed or whatever you think...when I was in court showing support they said the victim was never stabbed unless YOU KNOW MORE AND YOU WERE THERE? AGAIN YOU ARE SLANDERING. YOU NEED TO WATCH YOURSELF.
Stop lowering yourself to their level, they/she sound like bitter little beings who hate the whole world. Something probably happend to them in their youth, maybe they/her are one of the poor soles/sole who have been raped by robert smith and his slime ball brother. Thats right , whats the total at now? 4? 5?
King u thief why don't u give the store back to the rightful owner auntie jule. Uncle Charles left everything to her in his will.don't vote for reyes freeman. Ha ha ha your kids don't have enough blood to be members they never did.
Auntie Jule auntie Jule auntie Jule !!!
Oh ' my,you mean we need to protest for auntie Jule? how sad and greedy King and his children are. So it's true they never did have the Pala blood there going after? Why are they not honest about auntie Jule owning part of the store King is claiming?
It sure is strange how someone knows Kings children doesn't have the blood to be enrolled. After all the other people have been saying the same thing.
What does Mellissa know about auntie Jule? King Freeman you are a greedy greedy man, that is why everything is coming to an end for you and yours. To bad others are being effected because of his greedy greedy a##! KING GIVE JULE AND HER KIDS THEIR SHARE OF YOUR PROFIT AFTER ALL SHE HAS RIGHTS TO THE ONLY MARKET ON THE PALA REZ ! GIVE IT !
jewel is your aunt? but you cant spell her name? your B.S is weak, get some sleep!
Wooooo JEWEL! WHATEVER THE CASE STILL GIVE HER SOME PROFIT THEY COULD USE IT! And not tired yet!
King uncle Charles gave everything to auntie jule it says so in his will.June had the papers that says your kids dnt have enough blood to be members.whos the boss now not u thief.
You bringing me back up bitch?!..
If there are papers to support your claims,then let's see them.I've seen papers that support the fact that Margarita Saubel Brittian is 4/4 Cupa. Some people talk too much crap and they don't have facts to support them.Lies,lies,lies!!!!!!......
Woooo Jewel? Whatever the case?...Look, are you honestly THAT dumb to think people reading these comments have'nt figured you out! Your no nephew/ niece of jewel, and your thoughtless comments of june and charles is typical smith talk, or someone closely related, so we see why you so want to be related to someone else!!!!
i dont know any of you people, i just happened to stumble on this site while looking up something else, but please may i just say...there is a lot of hate coming from you group in support of the disenrollments, it is not healthy and you will give yourself a stroke or heart attack. let others live as it appears they have tried to do you, that is until you have forced them to attack you back. you seem unhappy with your selfs. and you do make your selfs look like you are only children trying to argue with adults. so go ahead and attack me but as a third party person i call it like i see it with what you are putting out on here. i will never come onto this site again so say what you want about me for i would never know what you miserable people have to say about me. and i am very proud to be white, what makes you feel you are superior to me? never mind, dont bother answering. good bye.
Ok
This blog is to dicuss the current dissenrollments each side has there own points to make. That is only fair, but there is some truth to each side and the facts are there. The only way to know the whole truth is to DNA the ones in questions.
How does DNA work in this matter? Please outline your plan.Or is this just more rambling with no facts to back!
The 120 members that were going to get kick out of the pala tribe get to stay enrolled.they are still members and its going to stay that way we proved are membership.
Exhume the father DNA the off springs and technology works from there.
Did they bury back then or did our ancestors burn?
I say if you dig one up dig them all up,everybodys ancestors are dug up and DNA everybody.
Hey mr king Freeman if your so kupa why didn't you want to buy kupa back your home land. you know that was all the old people wish. Oh but you where worried about money! If it would profit! Come on now why care about profit when it goes deeper than that !!! WHO IS THE GREEDY ONE?
COYOTE BITCH! STILL MARRIED TO JUDY AND FORNICATING WITH MARRIED WOMEN THEN STANDING BY THAT BELL TOWER LIKE IF YOU ARE A SAINT READY TO GO TO HEAVEN SHIT YOUR GOING TO HELL MAN! HELL! NOT PRUGITORY HELL!!!
How many of Robert Smiths investments have paid off for the Tribe? I'm all for buying cupa back,but at what cost? Didn't mr.smith buy the ranch in pauma valley for three times the appraised value? Trust me someone got rich on that transaction and it wasn't you & me! And your accusing king of being greedy? Look at the million dollar sign smith put up at 15 freeway & highway 76,is it still there? He's proven he can't manage a tribe time & time again.Robert just know how to spend everyones money like it's his own,also spend it in ways to enrich himself.After all,aren't smith & miranda the ones behind this mess that is now so embarrassing to the tribe and extremely unjust to those who are be persecuted without just cause? All the time ignoring the words of our elders who confirmed Margarita is 4/4 Cupeno.When you talk about greedy coyote you must be speaking of smith.I base all my statements upon fact!Wake up tribal members!
New story in the Sacramento Bee about the United Auburn Tribe who owns Thunder Valley Casino.Why should I look at it you ask? The tribes attorney is the same attorney that Pala uses,the great white thief Mr Howard Dickstein.There are many similarities in cirumstance between our tribe and theirs.Are the Eight who are being unjustly disenrolled just a smokescreen to cover up the Patterns and Practices of a corrupt gaming attorney and Tribal leaders who put their own interest above the members they are to represent? Check it out,don't you think its time to take you tribe back members of PALA!
Come on now don't you and all the people reading this mess see the picture ? Just from reading all this stuff it can't be any clearer then King Freemans kids are straight out white!! It's not about King being disenrolled even to see he had to even been close to making Palas blood line. I am sure others have to see the same message and I'm not even a member.
Nobody in pala is full blooded.. and theres alot of white lookin people up in that smith family too.. but that doesnt prove blood quantum.
I DONT KNOW WHO YOUR ACCUSING OF GOING TO HELL. AFTER ALL, HE DIDNT KILL HIS GIRLFRIENDS BABY GIRL, AND HE DIDNT SIGN A CHECK TO NOT HAVE HIS BTOTHER ARRESTED FOR IT, AND HE WASNT ONE OF TWO LADIES WHO USED TO LET UNDERAGE TEENS DITCH AT THEIR HOUSES/TRAILERS AND NOT ONLY GIVE THEM DRUGS BUT DO IT WITH THEM, IF YOUR NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER, ASK SOMEONE. AND THESE PEOPLE DONT COME FROM THE FAMILIES YOUR ACCUSING OF BEING WHITE. THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE REAL ONES HELLBOUND. NOT "PURGATORY".. HELL!
Sounds like Melissa is back commenting again
Why does king hire young Mexican girls to work in his store because he is a pervert.he let's all those old men talk dirty to those poor mexican workers.
How do you know? Are you mexican that speaks spanish? If so, than why do you?
Can any one say why King Freeman is so ready to fight for his children to be enrolled at Pala? It seems who ever this Melissa knows everything but never talks about how the blood degree that King has is just a drop so his kids need to face the facts that their not indian. You can only see they are really fighting for the money. Like someone said King did marry a white lady who's fault is that the tribes to? For his mistake now it seems he wishes he should have married a Indian girl but they probably were not good enough for him. So he needs to be told by his Melissa to stop crying about his white family. And please tell him to try and stop going to the newspaper he looks so white in there. Money can't be that needed for his kids he does have a store to support them or did I read his aunt Jewel now owns it.
Chairman Melissa what can you say about the last statement?
leroy the yaqui indian from mexico (not USA) and the filipino (not USA), the luiseno from pechanga, has barely enough cupeno blood quantum to be enrolled. what is up with that??? how can he be enrolled when other's who have the same blood as him can't? why did he disenroll his daughter from utah to have her re-enrolled at pala? She's not even 1/16th cupeno. what is up with that? who is the keeper of all the bloodline records and why would they allow such a discrepancy to happen? why doesn't he have to prove his bloodline? oh, right, he is on the enrollment committee and can do whatever he wants. what is up with that letter from the BIA showing leroy's grandma can't use her mexican yaqui blood to increase the blood quantum of her family. that is a straight up shame, right? YO, what is up with the double standard? have something to hide, EC? better start covering up your lies, lies, lies before the feds step in. yo, ya'll gotta work hard at blaming king for everything, why don't you just start working hard, bunch of illiterate lazy asses. nothing better to do than attack innocent people on this blog, like Melissa, King, whoever doesn't fit into your perception as "belonging". we all know that you are working overtime, "A", to promote your hate message, your flyers, your propaganda, when you should work on cleaning up your drug business, just glad you moved it into G's hands, yo what is up with that? show me your great, great, great whoever's birth certificate, you don't even have the brain cells or the logic to see the problem with your rant's, when all original people from KUPA don't have birth certificates because there were none, yo, what is up with that? SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR EVERY LAST ONE OF THE ORIGINAL KUPA PEOPLE, I WANT TO KNOW WHY MARGARITA BRITTEN HAS TO HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHEN SHE WAS BORN IN 1850 AND CALIFORNIA WAS BARELY UNIONIZED! THEY DIDN'T HAVE BIRTH CERTIFICATES THEN. I WANT TO KNOW WHY EVERYONE ON THAT CENSUS DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVE WHO THEIR FATHERS OR MOTHERS WERE. MARGARITA WAS OVER 50 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE WAS REMOVED FROM HER HOME IN KUPA, ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME, LEROY, YOUR GRANDMA ROSCINDA, WAS THERE IN THE 1850S, SHE WASN'T EVEN BORN UNTIL THE 1890'S, RIGHT?
IM SICK OF YOUR BLAME GAMES. NO, MELISSA DIDNT COMMENT WHEN YOU SAID SOUNDS LIKE SHE IS. IT WAS ME! I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF THOSE TEENS, IM 41 NOW. THATS WHY I SAID IF YOUR NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER, ASK SOMEBODY! I DONT REALLY WANT TO NAME NAMES BUT DONT PUSH ME!
awwww, booooo. i was so hoping it was so she could come back on here and blast on them! :(
Why is there blood quantum anyway? And why 1/16?
At Pala, the blood quantum was built into the original Articles of Incorporation and the minimum degree of blood quantum was determined to be 1/16. It is specific, must be Cupeno blood, must be a descendant of those people on the Official 1913 allotment rolls certified by the Department of Interior, in Washington, DC and no other tribe/indian blood.
Margarita Britten was 4/4 on that official Allotment Roll, but somewhere along the way, the allotment roll was changed, there was a pencil mark that crossed her blood degree from 4/4 to 1/2, in or around the late 1920's-1930's. This change occurred after her death and know one knows who or why they did this, but all her life she was considered 4/4 Cupeno.
Many of the people who are commenting negatively don't really know the facts, they just know what they have been told by a certain persons who seems to be the "authority" on the culture of the Cupeno people. This person obviously can't see the truth past his rage.
When the original Articles of Incorporation were drafted, those people probably didn't think about the self-terminating issue (for those who don't understand what a self-terminating tribe is, it is one who will die out because of the blood quantum issue). The blood quantum issue is a serious problem and needs to be dealt with in the very near future, but these few in power don't want to share the wealth. There are many lineal descendants who are considered as "outsiders" just because of this reason and they have been treated as such all their lives because of the select few "haters" who feel they are special. You can tell who those people are by their rants against. A good example of a lineal descent tribe is Pechanga or Soboba.
The tribe has a real issue on it's hands, and the few in power are only trying to secure their future, not concerned about the future of the tribe as a whole.
Additionally, the only way the tribe can change from a blood quantum to a lineal descent is to have the entire tribe vote in a General Election, not in a closed Executive Committee meeting or even in a General Council meeting.
I do not see that the current Executive Committee would ever allow it, because they would give up their precious $$$$.
If Leroy would just stop pushing his hateful agenda and learn to be in peace, then we could just all move on and be one big, dysfunctional happy family, but I don't see that he will ever stop his deep seeded hate towards certain people/families.
I meant who designed the 1/16 rule and why.
Dr. Walter Ashby Plecker was a White Supremacist who believed there should be only two classified races, "White" and "Colored" (colored included Native American). He was part of the Anglo-Saxon Club of America, an offshoot of the KKK. He was behind the The Racial Integrity Act, which promoted racial segregation. He purposely stated Native Americans as colored on birth records, so the race would be slowly exterminated. He supported sterilizations of persons who were "Mentally Ill" or "Mentally Deficient" or for "Other" reasons. In California, 19,985 people were sterilized without their consent...another way to wipe out mixed races. What kind of guy was he? Let's see "Plecker ordered the exhumation of dead people of "questionable ancestry" from white cemeteries to be reinterred elsewhere." I can't imagine what kind of person would hate another "race" of people so much that he would have them dig up a deceased over "questionable ancestry". Oh, wait...didn't that happen somewhere here in California....requesting someone to prove lineage from deceased ancestors. I thought I read that somewhere.
It is interesting that there is all this talk of how someone has too much mixed tribal/white blood to qualify for tribal membership, all the while the people who are hating are doing exactly what the white supremacist Walter Plecker wanted, you are slowly destroying your own people.
Back before 1903 or 1913 the tribes in So. Cal all intermarried on purpose. They didn't marry their own brother or sister. Many marriages were arranged between the various tribes. When the FedGov. moved tribes to reservations they did not 1)Care about tribal affiliations. 2)Classified all these ancestors as "Mission", but it didn't matter what mission they associated with.
It's sad to have all these disputes over blood quantum, an idea established by white supremacist who was looking to destroy the Native American race.
This is especially true in the small tribes of California, after reading this I understand why OP calls disenrollment Paper Genocide.
THE 120 THAT WERE GOING TO GET KICKED OF THE PALA TRIBE GET TO STAY WE PROVED ARE MEMBERSHIP TO BE MEMBERS OF THE TRIBE. SO FUCK U LEROY MR. HAPPY TIME BOOK STORE.
Is that official?
I think so we proved are membership. Don't forget to vote on Nov 22
Why is everyone worried about our tribe?shit bud out and go about your own business. There was alot of old people that new ms margarita Britten and they all said the same thing that is being said today. SHE WAS NOT A SAUBLE! Shit she even said it. Plus til this day some say some had to lie to enrolled their grandchildren which where NEVER enrolled before. I just thing some of you are angry that you don't have the money anymore. You didn't care about our tribe if so mr king Freeman would of made sure our tribe would forever be a tribe noooooo he was worried about the mighty dollar bill!!! I BLAME HIM FOR THIS MESS HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD ACCESS TO ALL THIS INFORMATION BEFORE ROBERT SMITH LEROY DION ANN AND TERESA EVER WHERE BORN! FREEMAN KNOWS . CHARGERS SUCK
Margarita Brittain said she wasn't a Saubel? When was that? Point me in the direction of a document that states that. (Exact date and type of document would be appreciated.) I'd like to see solid proof of that accusation. Be as specific as possible please. If you have seen that document you should know exactly when and where it was stated.
And if you proved membership why is there so many crying babies on this blog?
Wrong again, Mrs. Britten waa 4/4 all throughout her life. It was'nt till after her death did some spineless weasel change her blood degree.While alive none of the old people who knew her guestioned her blood. You know no old people who knew her, so stop the B.S. You only know leroy miranda, his distorted perception of facts, and u believe all the lies that he spewes everytime he opens his mouth. Dude is a worm who would serve a greater purpose on a fish hook at the bottom of a lake!!!
No thanksgiving or christmas bonus? Your monthly payments are gonna go down? Hahaha, Your chairman and his partner HOWARD DICKSTIEN and their friends from las vegas love the pala tribe, they dont care that they are being ripped off.....sad!! As these users of indians continue to loose head from their cash cow corral, they will need pala to make up their losses. Two northern california tribes have already given them the boot and it looks like a third ,( auburn ) will do the same These tribes experienced the same shit now going on in pala, stood up, and did somrthing about it. Will pala? If they dont they will continue to have millions go out the back door into someone else's pocket and will be forced to be content with the scraps ROBERT SMITH throws them. ROBERTS "friends" will not take the loss of these northern cal tribes, THE PEOPLE OF PALA WILL!!! Its just starting, get used to it . Hahaha
I knew Fernando Ortega and he did sign a petition saying not to except the new enrollies. There are a lot of elders on that petition. So what now your telling me they didn't know anything?
To the anonymous who said that the chargers suck,you were right.The chargers do suck,too many injuries,too many mistakes.Every thing else you said is a bunch of Lies,lies,lies.sounds like robert smith,lies, lies, lies...Yaqui blood is not Pala blood!
It doesn't matter IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!
Swedish blood is not Pala blood either.
Ugh, my god. Disgusting fucks. Money.money.money. whaaa "you cry cause you get no money!" whaaa "you get no bonus!" Ugh, whos the mother fucks who didnt try to disenroll till their fucken per caps couldnt get higher. Shut the fuck up. And bringing up the chargers, lame fuck.. What else inbred?
That makes no sense . What
YOUR FUCKING SHIT TALKING GREEDY FUCKS! FUCK YOU FUCK YOUR CASINO AND ESPECIALLY A BIG FAT FUCK YOU TO YOU GREEDY INBRED DISENROLLING "MORE MONEY FOR ME SO FUCK EVERYONE ELSE" PEICE OF SHIT FUCKS!!
KING FREEMAN IS THE GREEDY ONE. SHIT KING IS MR HAPPY TIME IN THAT HAPPY TIME FREEZER !!! DIRTY OLE MAN ANYWAY!!!
Micheeeelle... Michelle cagey... >=)
What about BNF NURSERY?
Funny how the idiots tippy toe around the questions of their piggish relatives like miranda/lavatos and smiths...
Since you feel the need to keep bringing up the Swedish ancestry of Margarita Britten's husband, then why don't you provide your name so that your background can be thoroughly evaluated. Better yet, why don't YOU stop "budding" in, as you say. I bet you would learn alot and you would learn to not be so hateful. Ignorance has kept many people from knowing the truth and when they find out, they realize they should have kept their mouth shut.
Yes, Margarita's husband was of Swedish descent, but that still does not make her Great, Great Grandchildren any less than the minimum blood quantum required by the tribe's Articles of Association or it's constitution.
Now, let's get down to the facts:
It has been documented with the Sheriff that King has been receiving hate mail and slanderous flyers from as early as July. In almost every one of those flyers, or hate mail, the person is writing "Swiss" "Mexican", things along that line. So if anyone thinks this is not racially motivated, then you need to know that the people behind these messages are extremely racist and extremely hateful. They have been delivering these messages of hate to each of King’s children. Also, the identity of the person delivering some of these hateful messages is known. I'll give you a hint: He is a bully, an all around jerk, a rapist of women, and the biggest drug dealer in Pala and his brother’s enforcer. I’ve seen video of his lady friend stepping out of his vehicle (he has to use a driver lately) and takes two flyers that he and his group had prepared, with their favorite phrases, such as "LIES, LIES, LIES" and "MEXICAN, SWISS", among other hateful messages that are outright lies (some they have published on this website).
Regarding Leroy, I, personally, don't care about Leroy's bloodline, but when he attacks people I care about, then he made it my business and he opened himself up to be scrutinized. The problem with Leroy's blood quantum is that it is at almost the exact same level as the people he is attacking/disenrolling, they are just exactly at the 1/16th level, were Leroy is a smidgen above that level. His Great, Great, Great Grandfather (Sylverio Nolasquez) was not a true Cupeno, but in fact, a man from Mexico of Yacqui descent and he derives some of his blood quantum from Mr. Sylverio. I don’t have a problem with that either, but I have a big problem with his hate campaign against people I care about. If you were put through the horrible things these eight people have been put through, I’m sure you would feel very much the same way.
Now, if the Executive Committee has this double standard, which they do, then this is a real problem for all tribal members because that means no one is safe from these misguided leaders. This makes them extremely dangerous to E-V-E-R-Y single tribal member, not just to Margarita Britten's descendants, and people should really think hard before they cast a vote for anyone who supports their hateful agenda.
These are things you don't have the mental capacity to understand. You are as hateful as the David Dukes and the Tom Metzgers of this world, you are a true racist. You have learned the white man’s way to the point that you are destroying your tribe. It is pointless to try to dissuade a supremacist from changing their viewpoint, since you were probably taught to hate from the time you were born. I feel sorry for you.
So, Fernando Ortega signed a petition, but he was not born until 1917, which was 65 years later than Margarita Britten was born and he probably didn't even know her. He was only 7 or 8 when she died, and I don’t think her bloodline was anything he ever knew to question at 7 years of age. So signing a petition based on hearsay is as ignorant as coming on a blog and spouting out hateful "lies, lies, lies" about a woman who was born over 160 years ago.
Fernando Ortega signed his name shouldn't he have fought for her ? But noooooo he signed otherwise.
BNF
Micheeeele, you've been sayin alot of slandering accusations and shit talk, but you got drunk.. And told on yourself. You can stop using anonymous now...
Tippy toe tippy toe... different sworn testiments over official b.i.a. Facts!
King greedy? He's not the one who has 3 jets at his beck and call. When did the tribe authorize Smith to invest in not one, but three jets? These not not cheap, folks. King's not the one who is raping his people and delivering money by the bushels full to Howard Dickstein. (Auburn paid Dickstein over $26 million for six years...how much is Pala paying Dickstein?) King's not the one who has his fingers into every committee out there. King's not the one getting paid over $26,000 per year by Denis Turner and SCTCA,not to mention the over 7 other Committee's who pay him handsomely. King's not the one who donates big bucks to the California Tribal Business Alliance to promote the agenda of Howard Dickstein's regime. All this information is available on the internet, for anyone who wants to know the truth about Robert Smith.
Your propaganda ain't going to work this time, we are on to your game. Everyone needs to check out Rumsey Vs. Dickstein and see how a former co-hort of Smith (Paula Lorenzo) got booted for doing the same thing that Robert Smith does to his tribe. Why didn't Robert Smith ever notify the tribe that Dickstein was sued for back door dealings by Rumsey? Why, because he is probably scoring B-I-G himself. TRIBE NEEDS TO DO AN AUDIT!!!
These lavatos are idiots, and the smiths are their weaker followers
Jealousy runs deep sorry to say!!!
I understand you, I was curious and looked up his info, yeah, he seems like a "back alley" kind of guy but the smiths and lavatos probably get lost with all that inforation, intelligence is lacking in their department.
Whos jealous of hateful obesity?
HAHAHAHA!!!
Damn, every gibberish words these lavatos say on their warped mixed facts gets turned around and shoved back up their flabby fat asses!
Someone got mad about truth.
BOTTOM LINE IT IS WHAT IT IS
Lavato Smith Miranda ? Hem they must know the real truth and that's why they are being slandered. Makes sense to think reservation intelligence is all you need in the tribal world. History repeats itself over and over and over. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hA
GET RID OF ALL THE FREEMANS AND THE PALA TRIBE WILL BE GREAT ALL OF THEM
Anonymous 10:54pm; the real truth can be found on the internet. You can find all the information about the personal enrichment of Robert Smith, which is not slander at all. It is all fact. Slander is based on lies, this information I am providing to you is truth. Slander is what you will hear from the Lavato Smith Miranda camp. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hA
You guys are so full of yourselves!! Look at your gross selves!!! The ugliest around!! Truth hurts, doesnt it...
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