In a recent post we discussed how Pala Chairman Robert Smith is planning to evict some people, including Gina Howard, who is interviewed in the video below, discussing how their improper disenrollment, or stripping of citizenship has harmed her family. Please, Watch and Share.
Re-POSTED to let our new readers have an idea how two local tribal casino tribes have affected their membership by revoking tribal citizeship:
KCBS Channel 2 reporter CRISTY FAJARDO reports on disenrollment for greed and power tonight.
Pay special attention as to how WEAK the responses are from the two tribal chairmen, Mark Macarro and Robert Smith! They can lie and obfuscate with ease.
Here is the video:
70 comments:
I remember this video. It is shameful. It will take an act of Congress, so maybe that is where everyone needs to put their energy to make that happen.
I agree, our ancestors were pushed around and now select factions thinking it's ok to do it within is unbelievable. Our Ancestors settled with the unknown, and now the greedy factions think it's ok they went through it and now their descendants can, but the actions are generated within the band or bands. The crazy thing is these bands want to be protected from the outside, but their behavior is the same.
Robert Smith thinks he can do whatever he wants under the veil of sovereignty, this is not what it was intended for. He treats his own people with such disdain and many of them live in fear of him and his followers. Don't do anything he does not like, don't talk to anyone that he does not want you to talk to, don't have someone over that he does not want you to have over, or he will try to evict you.
The Altos were evicted from San Pasqual by Allen Lawson. The Altos went to Tribal court to seek remedy but were denied. They were forced out by Police, Security and Council. The Martinez family, specifically Hummay QuisQuis threatened the Altos if they did not leave that he would burn them out. Be careful, the law may not be on your side but its not worth your own life.
The Martinez Descendants are confused. The post on the last blog says that they are against the removal of natives from a different geological region. (Pala). ("If they dont belong, they dont belong" Martinez Motto)But their own argument against Lawson is he doesn't belong but the Lawson family resided in the same geological region. Someone's got their head up there ass over there at the Martinez camp. Utterly confused.
@ pala the MB descends do belong. There are federal documents a mile long with proof MB was 4/4.
I think it's a rediculuously arrogant small minded group of people living in a fantasy world that makes them believe that they will continuously win. They may win the battles but we will win the war
September 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM and at 2:12. This is not about you, Alto or Trask, this is about the people at Pala. Take your games elsewhere.
Why is it ok on one reservation and not on another. Disenrollment should be illegal across the board. Obviously it is always, always political regardless of facts.If this blog is made to talk shit about people. Let's talk shit as much as we can. Main goal is to stop disenrollment and genocide. If other Tribal peoples stories can help then why shouldnt they be written??? As you would say freedom of Press. I ain't going no where.
The Alto's are OLD news and never belonged anyway. Go look at John Peabody Harrington and his interview with Maria Alto is 1925. "Marcus is her adopted son, living in Escondido with his wife and four children." That is published at the Smithsonian archives.
Makes my stomach turn when I watch this video clip. So sad what they are doing to their own people. When you play with fire, you usually end up getting burned.... RS has played with the fire too long!!!!!
Poor Altos.
I have never understood the disrespect the younger people have for the decisions of their elders. If they decided to adopt the Alto's then who are these modernistas to disrespect the will of their ancestors/elders. In the late 1800's there were several different epidemics that left many children orphaned and homeless. You know what the old people did? They acted like Indians and took care of those young and raised them as their own because they were their own under Indian way. Now you want to disrespect that. I am glad that I am not you having to face the elders when I pass to the next world. They are watching. What are you going to do when they say you don't belong on the Indian side of heaven? It is going to happen. You are bringing it upon yourselves.
It's not considered adoption when the child is from the same familia but I understand your sentiment .
Our people took care of each other because that's what they had. Today there is factions who think it's not important to hold the platform for ALL. They will have to take their decisions with them even when they leave the game of life.
What these leaders of the tribe are doing is horrendous. Its killing the Indian. Everything is being lost because of greed. I weep on this day for, our future as a nation, and as a tribe.
It's already been decided that if Smith goes ahead and try's to evict these 2 people, there will be 315 signatures promised. These signatures will be added to a complaint that will be sent to the FBI and the IRS, requesting an Audit (complete)of all of the Tribes Financial dealings. In fact we have already submitted to the FBI and the IRS a copy of the last 3 years of the financial statements that were handed out a few meetings ago.
It's time for a change at Pala, and its time to fight fire with fire before someone gets real hurt or even dies at the Hands of RS and the EC.
This is the right time to stand tall against the corrupt EC members and DEMAND and TAKE BACK OUR TRIBE, AND NOT TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.
It's time for the Pala EC to pay for there Wrong doings that they have so imposed on the Tribe and its members. If they have nothing to hide, then they should welcome an Investigation to prove to the General Membership that they are honest and trust worthy, and if they are found untrustworthy then the General Membership needs to take action to get them imprisoned for all of there dealings.
@ 2:09 AM
Don't you mean "MORE DEATHS and more people GETTING ASULTED and BEAT UP?
TO SEPT @2:15 AM
I Just read your post and it makes me sick to see the abuse that these Native people are going through.
I have decided to ask around and see if some one might be interested in beating the SHIT out of Robert Smith. And possibly Mr. Perez and Mrs. Nieto also. They surely have earned it. I will let you know ASAP when I speak to these people. I hope that this site is safe for me to talk about this with you. If it is not, Please advise me as such. Either way, we will be talking real soon, like maybe even tomorrow, if possible.
Stay cool and wait for my message.
Shove a MAG LIGHT down his throat.
What's good for the goose is goose for the gander.
Sorry, I meant to say, What's good for Goose is good for the Gander.
@ 4:46 PM
Violence and the threat of violence are their tactics. Also, how many of you have been video taped acting the fool at one of Robert Smith's party? So getting drunk or doped up and acting the fool gave Robert Smith control over your votes. What a shame. It is time for you people to just stand up to Robert and own what you have done. Many of the videos are so old now nobody cares. So quit selling out Pala for your foolish acts. Stand up against Robert Smith and remove that burden from your shoulders. You might be surprised how forgiving the tribe can be. We don't need to beat the shit out of Robert Smith. We want him to live a long time so he can fully experience his jail time for at least twenty years. Stay healthy Robert.
Awesome!^
I did talk to some people today and I honestly can't believe how many outsiders are willing to step up to the plate to get even with Smith and Perez. As far as Nieto goes their are at least 6 different women that are just itching to get their hands on her. So let me know if possible what you think.
Friend of Pala your empty threats are useless if you have an issue bring it up yourself. Why call someone are you that much of a punk?
No one is evicting anyone. That will not happen. Never or ever.
To PalaREz
No I'm far from being a punk, you on the other hand are nothing but a loud mouth little bitch who always seems to have a case of the shits flowing through your mouth. I read this blog some times just to see what kind of shit that you have running out of your mouth, and frankly you have more shit coming out of your mouth than average asshole.
To pala rez and anyone else that supports the current EC, I am here posting because I can't see how anyone can be so dumb to stand up for the current EC. I'm and outside person looking in and all that I can see so far is that the Tribal members don't have much of a say concerning any thing that's important on the Reservation.
This is very confusing to some of the outside people looking in because they thought that this sort of thing only happened in other country's.
I do have a real question for Pala Rez or anyone else that cares to answer. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND CLOSES YOUR CASINO, LIKE THEY DID UP NORTH ?
Or don't you care that what your fought and died for will be null and void because of the way your Tribe is being run. It sound like a MOB story out of a mob move or something.
I would be willing to bet that the chair person is involved in organized crime for sure. Is he? Are you? You can not claim Sovereignty under the RICO ACT. And all involved can be put in prison for many, many years. This is a very serious issue happening here in Pala and I know that most of the members have worked their entire lives to get this opportunity to relax and enjoy life in it's fullest comfort. And to throw all of this out the door would be a sin in it's self. Fix this before it gets fixed by the Government, or it will not be the same because if the U.S. Government gets involved the will for sure Take a bigger cut of the pie.
What is the purpose of Pala Rez, or does Pala Rez have one? I sure am glad that Pala Rez is in your Tribe and not ours.This person is rude and has no respect for any one,except for liars and dishonest people.
As a person looking in it sounds like an Attorney trying to get a guilty person free of any and all charges. It's going to be funny as hell when Robert Smith gets arrested and lock up for all of his crimes along with Mrs. Nieto for financial fraud. I for one, even though I am not from that Tribe can't wait to finally shut this Pala Rez person up for good. You Pala Rez, are very disrespectful to every one from the Pala Tribe including the Tribal Elders. If you really understand your Native Culture and still choose to be disrespectful
to the ELDERS then you can deal with the outcome. But I sure would not want to be in your shoes when the comes.
I support this tribe and it's members if you think I am disrespecting the people I'm talking about its because they are disrespecting the tribe or its Ec. besides whatever tribe your from stay in there business not ours.
Palarez knows we belong that is why he/she is on here and getting so bugged by our truth. That is why the comments by Palarez are ridiculous. We all know the truth, it is written here over and over, and Palarez is a perfect example of an idiot follower that thinks it is ok for the EC to act one way but no one better defend themselves against them and their horrible treatment of the people they are suppose to lead. Palarez shows all of the symptoms of being abused by Robert, you know the love your abuser syndrome. Sorry Palarez, keep your butt in the air, because we hear what you are saying but your breath smells like shit, and your words are full of hot air.
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It still is strange that the Lugo's, Dion and Theresa chose to look at the descendants if a full blood Kupa Indian and hurt her descendants by dis enrolling her great great grandchildren. Why did they only choose to look at her and not their own families questionable ties to Pala. Why didn't they Theresa and Dion look at the document where Remijo Lugo requested his paycheck for herding the Kuoa people to Oala be sent to his home in Morongo. Morongo was where he was enrolled. Maybe they didn't want to look at their own enrollment and the enrollment if their first cousins because they wanted to continue to enjoy the benefits of the casino. Even though it was cheating rightful members still enrolled and unjustly disenrolled.
People don't know the history. Mel Lovato and Leroy Miranda said their grandma told them Margarita Britten was half blood. Juliana Calac asked the BIA about it too back in 1962. Patricia Nelson filed an appeal in 1989 to overturn the BIA decision. There is a faction at Pala that has always been opposed to the 1/16th blood degree Britten descendants being enrolled. This fight has been going on for over a century now. Some people just can't handle the truth.
I don't comment because I am bugged by you , I comment because I am tired of hearing about this blog and it bullshit half ass backwards gossip stories about the tribe or its Ec.
Blah, blah, blah, we know Palarez, you love Robert and he is your butt buddy, and you love toys, we know, we know, you do not have to tell us any more, just marrying him already.
@ PalaRez@3:12PMWell if you are so tired of hearing, why don't you try READING THE FACTS ON THIS BLOG and except the TRUTH as it is written and well documented ,not only locally but also in Washington DC. If this was your Family would you be doing the same thing as we are? Everyone is seeing truth come to light here with all the supporting evidence from the United States Government,and the Affidavit sworn by E. Lucero, who was the BIA Specialist on the enrollment issues. If you can't read it, let me know and I will be happy to have it put on a CD for you so that you can understand that no matter what anyone says, THE BRITTENS DO BELONG,LIKE IT OR NOT. And that fact that the EC is putting this in the hands of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is going to hurt the Tribe more, when the issue of Sovereignty is at stake for the Tribe, because it doesn't apply to the 9th circuit board case. And neither does the Martinez issue. The EC does not realize that they are putting this entire Tribe at risk as far as the Sovereignty issue goes. It will open a new can of worms, so to speak, and the EC can only blame themselves for this. When Rs and the EC decided to over turn the Governments 89 decision they in fact broke a FEDERAL LAW by doing so. And the 9 Judge Panel will see these when the view the Evidence on file, remember this is a Federal Case and Federal case Law will be in effect. Can't hardly wait to have OUR day in COURT.
You have had your guys day in court how many times? How did those go for you?
Hey Pala REz, just wait and see.
Palarez doesnt know the ground from his asshole. They would sit there and argue that the sky isn't blue.. what is your deal? Did somebody drop you on your f&@&!ng head when your were a kid? If you're tired of this blog then stay off of it. Be a dipshit somewhere else buddy
The funny thing about Pala(and other Tribes that disenroll their own people) is that they are playing into the hands of what the colonizers and US government planned on all along...extermination of the firat peoples of this nation. Only this time around it is Native peoples and Native nations doing the exterminating of their own people. What are you guys, by that I mean Indian peoples that inhabited America before colonizers claimed it, about 1-2% of the current US population? You will never have the numbers, in the US political sense, think about that PalaRez or do you even understand the implications of that. It would seem your so called leaders, and from what others have said on this blog their merry band of idiot followers, are essentially erasing their own tribes from this existence on earth. Way to go so called leaders as it seems the only sovereignty you exert is over your own peoples, but not to help them, to take them out. People on the outside such as myself reading about tribal disenrollments and the corruption taking place see it as the beginning of the end for the sovereignty of all Indian Tribes in the US. Keep on trucking PalaRez or RS or whoever as long as you have money in your bank right?, what does it matter that you are no longer truly a real Indian(and not the Indian with a red dot on the forehead). This blog entry is aimed at the tribal leaders perpetuating this final stage of genocide of the original inhabitants of this country. These written words were not written with the intent of offending the obviously brave people like Gina Howard and others.
What am I waiting to see?
What day in court PalaRez. You are still hiding behind sovereignty you coward because you ain't got nothing. Sovereignty is the right of the tribe and the tribe will be exercising its true sovereignty very soon. I would bet a $1,000 that you cannot even spell sovereignty without looking at the word. Yes we know that you are that stupid. The people really are tired of your childish leadership. Many have learned about the real world and they are ready to move on. Moving on means feeding you to the dogs and taking control of the casino and doubling per-capita the very first month you are gone. It is that easy. You are going, going, going, gone. Soon punk. Real soon. By the way, we are not waiting for the FBI or the County Sheriff or the BIA anymore. The clock is ticking, truly ticking. You better keep those armed guards close. Really close. Remember Mussolini. You will be Pala's Mussolini.
Who is we? I've said this how many times I'm not the chairman but I do have his back. I'm not hiding behind anything or anyone but hey by all means tuff guy actions speak louder than words.
Nice nice, Just as we have been saying you have Robert Smith's back. You have more balls the M.O. Maybe that is why Robert Smith loves you.
Why don't you get a new insult, what are you in grade school
Fortunately the facts speak louder than lies, curses, and obscenities. This isn't even about Margarita Britten's blood degree anymore. It is a fact; she was full blood. This has escalated to matters of tribal leaders exceeding their authority, attempts to evict non-members from the reservation without just cause, denial of due process and other civil rights violations. Then there is the internal corruption, the theft, malfeasance, and misappropriation of funds. We can move on to extortion, and compromising tribal members to participate in criminal activity. How about bribery of federal employees? We all know that Amy Dutschke, Robert Eben, and Frances Muncy have abused their positions and shown favoritism to Robert Smith and they didn't do that for nothing.
The list of offenses keeps growing larger and longer. Go ahead and support the Pala EC if you want. It is a losing proposition. Those guys keep breaking the law and it will catch up with them. If you are part of the conspiracy you can expect some consequences. These allegations are not going away.
Wow! Touchy touchy PalaRez. There was no insult. Just because Robert Smith likes boys and men isn't an insult. Homosexuality is accepted on a national level now so no insult intended. As a matter of fact good for you to come out. Sorry you are still angry about your choice but don't bend that back on me. It was refreshing to see that Robert Smith has the interest of a grown man instead of molesting little boys as is his flavor. Perversion is not the same as homosexuality. Maybe you can change Robert Smith's ways. Hope so. No child deserves to be abused that way.
PalaRez, in the 9th circuit appeals court on this Pala Case the issue of Sovereignty does not apply and neither does the santa clara issue.
This case is about the BIA not doing there job. So no one will be able to claim sovereignty on this issue. It has nothing to with the Tribe .
Maybe the 9 Judge panel will agree to Charge Amy Duschbag and the EC with acting outside their scope of authority. That would be a real big win for the Pala case.
I see the Santa Clara vs Martinez Supreme Court Ruling coming into play somewhere soon. The Santa Clara vs Martinez case has been the unofficial anthem of the B.I.A. in the Pala ordeal but there it can actually work for the pala people. The ruling states "only a tribe can determine its membership". Pala is not a tribe but a association of groups, the people disenrolled are all from the Agua Caliente Tribe from Warners Hot Springs. The two people who motioned and voted to disenroll have subsequently been found to have NO TIES to the Agua Caliente Tribe, therefore they CANNOT determine anything when it comes to the 162 people they disenrolled. Maybe it time to approach the B.I.A. with all the documention proving Theresa Nieto and Dion Perez have no lineal connection to the Cupeno Nation and see if they still want to stand behing a P.B.M.I. E.C. that has violated a Supreme Court ruling, if so then they would also be guilty by doing nothing and continuing to carrying a government to government relationship with a rogue illegal leadership there in Pala.
It's time to get Dion Perez out of here before some takes him out of here in a body bag or trash bag, body bags are two good to waist on trash, and they same for his cousin Howard Maxcey jr. And then Theresa Nieto who thinks that all Tribal Members owe her something because of the monthly checks that we get. WHICH should TWICE the AMOUNT that they are. JUST TAKE THE BITCH AND BURN HER AT THE STAKE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
AND THEN FOR THE CHAIRMAN, DEATH IS TWO GOOD FOR HIM, HE NEEDS TO ROT IN A FEDERAL PRISON CELL, STARTING ASAP. And for PalaRez, make him/her watch it all,and when he/she cries uncle, then just shoot the fucker.
@ 5:19 PM
Maybe you are right, it's time to go and confront the BIA and show them how they screwed up and that we demand it to be fixed now .And have the Lugo bunch removed asap.
@ palarez we are talking about our day in court as being witnesses against Robert Smith and the rest of the EC when they get arrested along with the Mag Light Man, Andrew Smith. Its to bad that the Brothers didn't make sure that there were no witnesses to the Crimes that they thought that they got away with. Including what they did to Joseph Scott. The eye witnesses have already been interviewed and are ready to testify in a court of Law.
More bullshit stories because the sheriff did show up to the youth camp the coroner report says that man died of cardiac arrest not any sort of blunt force trauma. No one knows what happened to joe Scott there are so many rumors that aren't even close to being true. He never exposed himself to Andrews daughter and him and Andrew were friends I don't know where you people come up with this stuff. Now to the mother fucker that wants to shoot me bring it you punk, all you are is talk trying to stir the pot I promise you won't get far. To r&r your allegations will go away because most of your "facts" are faked or forged and you guys know it that's why a judge won't even look at it. I hope you got a better lawyer maybe this one won't get laughed out of the court room.
Forget the BIA. Come on people of Pala you are the ones that need to help yourselves by standing up for what is right. Confront the EC and the trespasser Lugos. It is obvious you have the power. Rob has known this all along even if his ignorant followers don't. Only the people can end the wrong doings that have occurred and are occurring. The Lugos had a chance to help themselves out even if Rob was holding their illegal membership in our tribe over them but they didn't so that is the karma they have bestowed upon themselves. Kick them off this reservation along with Rob and his family of supporters. They were gonna do the same to those brave souls who tried to stand up to Rob and his nefarious ways last year. Pala is a terrible place to live right now what with the thieves and liars walking around proud of the things they have done while the victims live in fear and have to live side by side with these APPLES. Rob the biggest APPLE out there and the most sorriest ass Indian alive.
@2:52 what do you mean "aren't even close to being true" ? What is the truth that you know? Palarez.
The truth is simple. The court dismissed our case due to sovereign immunity. That has nothing to do with the validity of our allegations. This statement that the Pala EC won the case is a lie. So get it straight PalaRez. The facts didn't go away. The court wouldn't look at the evidence because they said the EC can't be sued when acting in their official capacity.
Now what would happen if the court actually looked at the evidence and the plaintiffs had an opportunity to discovery, meaning they could subpoena evidence from the defendants? It would be an open and shut case. The Pala EC handed out the same financial report two years in a row. They are hiding the theft of large sums of money. All you have to do is find out where the money for Pala Interactive came from. That money was not accounted for in the financial reports, and the EC lied about it to the General Council for two years.
There is a cell in federal prison with Robert Smith's name on it. I hope he likes pork and beans because he is going to be eating a lot of it.
Theresa Nieto should be practicing the art women on women also because she is also being look at concerning the money issues at Pala.
That way maybe she won't be so lonely for the 10-15 years.
May be RS will just end himself by some means before he is arrested and sentenced to at least 15- 20 years in Federal Prison. Or his diabetes will apply the justice he deserves.
some one should go to the news paper,and share the evil that took place by the pala E.C. how thy kicked out a pastor,from his church.
ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING HAS BEEN CALLED BY PALA EC FOR SEPTEMBER 23,2015 @7:PM. agenda items,1- call to order @7pm
2_ Invocation
3- Approval of agenda
4-Amendments to ord.14 assignment of Tribal
lands
5-Adjournmen.
@6:52 AM
They also will not approve a SDG&E pass so the said Church can get electrical service, and they have refused the same Church to hook to the Water system. Thats why the Church has to haul water in so the bathrooms can be used during service, and have had to buy large Generators for their lights to be used also during service.
This Again, YEP.
Its really funny when someone from the EC Gives the Invocation for the meetings before they start. Last Meeting Robert Smith said the Lords Prayer, and guess what happened. He came to the part that says
and deliver us from ?Duh Duh, He could not say the words DELIVER US FROM EVIL. That was the same exact spot where Theresa Nieto screwed up a couple of months ago when she was attempting to recite the LORDS PRAYER. The people at the Meeting had to finish the prayer so the meeting could start. And Nieto is Supposed to be an Angel at the old mission at Pala. (Angel with horns).
And also tell the news paper that this EC also refuses to give this same church permission to hook up to the water system, so the church has to bring in its water in a tank so they can use the restrooms during service.And how the EC won't grant permission for SDG&E to provide service to the church.
To PalaRez, the 9th circuit case has nothing to do with the EC or the Members of such.
This is a case against the BIA and the BIA Employees that are refusing to do their job like Amy douschbag, And the ASIA, it does not involve any one from the EC or any Tribal Members per say.
Unless you have something that we can use against the EC and want to help us, feel free to do so.
The EC even refuses to give SDG&E the approval to hook up electric for the church where Pastor Johnson was the assistant Pastor where he is not allowed to go to Church any longer, By order of the EC. They,the (EC)won't even give to said Church permission to be hook up to the Tribal Water supply or the Tribal sewer system. And the Pastor of the Church is even a Tribal Member, but they still refuse to comply. They, the said Church had to buy a generator so that they could have lights for their services and use a water tank mounted a trailer to haul their water in so the Restrooms could be used during service.
I am guessing here. But the Pastor of this Church must be a Descendant of Mrs. Britten. Is this the reasoning behind the denied request for electrical, water and sewer service.
That's is so childish on behalf of an Executive Committee that should be helping this Pastor to make the Reservation a better place to live.
And is this the same Church that the Pala EC has banded an assistant Pastor to attend services for standing up for his rights.
Be careful Pala EC, you are way overstepping your authority on this one. A right to freedom and a right to practice ones Religion are is
a Constitutional right, and not the right of the Pala EC to determine.
This Assistant Pastor and the Church should fight this issue to the fullest extent and do not give up until you win.
Well now this is really fucked up that they won't allow this Church to have water and electrical service. How did so many people get electrical service and water at DoDo's trailer park. Did the Tribe approve the electrical service there along with the Tribal water and sewer system hook ups. That is really messed up. It seems that the EC is really overstepping their authority by refusing these services to this Church. And how did Donna get her Church water, sewer hookup and approval for SDG&E service. Or is she illegally hooked up to the services?
I guess that the EC is really out to get all of the Descendants of
Mrs. Britten. We are truly beginning to see this now, and as Tribal Members, we thought that the statements against the EC were being made because of the disenrollments. But know this issue have shown a new light on the EC and should be dealt with now and not latter, because this is really wrong and it is no way to treat Members or other people that have done nothing to deserve this kind of treatment from the EC or anyone else. And to band a Pastor from attending church services because the EC says so is a violation of the U.S. Constitution.
The Pala EC needs to approve this SDG&E hook up ASAP, Because if they don't then at the next meeting when they want to vote for service on a new home, TURN IT DOWN and vote NO.
And keep voting NO until this Church receives the services that they should have had a long time ago. This is just down right hateful as far as the Pala EC is concerned.
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